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        02-25-2013, 02:31 PM
      #421
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Opal    
    His tail wasn't swishing TOO much, and I know a good lot of horses from all disciplines which swish their tails. My horse (and a ton of other horses) swish their tails when cued for a canter. I don't think swishing tail makes or breaks a horse since it can be a variety of different things that causes a horse to swish their tail.

    That being said, I'd be curious to see what someone who's familiar with bridle horses has to say about the horse.
    COWCHICK IS familiar with bridle horses.
         
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        02-25-2013, 05:02 PM
      #422
    Foal
    @Deserthorsewoman
    Oh, alright :)

    @Longride
    Yes, I do notice it quite a lot in dressage. I guess it's funny that JJ only does it when asked for a transition to the canter, not other transitions. I don't wear spurs when I ride since JJ is responsive enough not to need them, but I guess it may have developed before he was mine and someone else cued him harshly or what not. I agree that tail swishing can be a sign of resistance and tension though. I've also noticed that it can be a concentration or a "thinking" sort of reaction too, but the horse in the video obviously was reacting to the spurs/cues.
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        02-25-2013, 07:30 PM
      #423
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    I hate the swishing tail!!!!
    I am not a big fan of this guy, just my opinion there are some that do like him.
    As far as YouTube videos available I like Martin Black better for using horses. But also look up Richard Caldwell.
    Thanks! I'm just trying to get an idea of what an honestly collected western horse looks like. All my influences have either taught that headset is collection, or they have been dressage or English influences, so, just trying to bring it all together into the western collected horse.
         
        02-25-2013, 08:07 PM
      #424
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tessa7707    
    Thanks! I'm just trying to get an idea of what an honestly collected western horse looks like. All my influences have either taught that headset is collection, or they have been dressage or English influences, so, just trying to bring it all together into the western collected horse.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGH6...e_gdata_player

    I had a different video in mind, but can't find it......so that one will have to do for now
         
        02-26-2013, 09:28 AM
      #425
    Super Moderator
    Is it this one?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLpyfzihts
         
        02-26-2013, 09:37 AM
      #426
    Trained
    Yeah, thanks jaydee
         
        02-26-2013, 10:59 PM
      #427
    Foal
    @Everyone
    What do you all think of this video? There's parts of it I like, and part of it I don't XD If anyone responds than I'll tell you what I think more in detail :)

         
        02-27-2013, 08:01 AM
      #428
    Yearling
    What I DIDN'T like was the herky-jerky contact in the big bit the horse had in it's mouth. He went from no contact to contact, no contact to contact....quite often. The only part I DID like was the reining spins....when he got off the horse's face and let him spin.
         
        02-27-2013, 08:58 AM
      #429
    Foal
    Quick assessment. What I did like - the nose always in front of the vertical. Only place you see that now is videos of the SRS under Podhasky. The extended trot was horrible. False elevation of the neck, back hollowed, hind legs trailing and front end flailing. Canter work showed horse working well under his body, good articulation of the joints. 2nd piaffe was ok. Could show more impulsion and articulation of joints of the hind legs. Tended to go hollow in the passage. Tended to swing the hind quarters on the flying changes. I think this was because of how he was asked rather than lack of engagement. Horse carries bit well. There was perhaps some excessive salivation but I couldn't see any of the snapping at the bit that heavy hands produce. There was no sign either in the horse's expression or in any irregularity of the gaits that it found the bit uncomfortable or the contact erratic except in the preparation for the extended trot, where it was obvious. Like most exhibition riders there was no concern for the quality of the transitions. Nuff said.
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        02-27-2013, 12:14 PM
      #430
    Foal
    @GotaDun and Longride
    (Gotadun, I also replied to you 1-2 pages back :) I don't know if you missed it or just chose not to reply but I don't mind either way)

    There were places, especially in the very beginning where his horse (This is Eitan and Holiday Compadre if you're familiar with them) was looking around and upheaded which I didn't care for. I can kind of sympathize since a huge bellowing crowd and clapping people can be a stimulation overload to a horse (and a rider for that matter), but I noticed other things throughout which were noticable enough not to excuse the way Compadre was coming out of the bridle at the beginning. Right off the bat, I found the fact that he was using two hands and a curb bit irritating. Later on after he started performing high level dressage manuvers like piaffe and passage, my irritation with it built up because after training and intro level dressage (1st level too? I don't recall) you're required to ride one handed; only in the lower levels do you have the option of riding two handed. So, he's riding around doing all these upper level dressage movements, but still doing two handed with a curb. I also disliked how at times he threw himself and his hands forward like a reiner, but then at other times had his horse all collected up.
    On the good side, I thought that his tempi were nice, even though his horse sort of swung to the side/bent to the side when he asked. I thought the piaffe and passage had good rhythm, but I did notice that the horse seemed very excited and shuffled his feet a few times. Despite that, I thought throughout the performace that the horse had very nice and consistent suspension.
    Back to the bad (or moreso the uncertain), I was unimpressed by the....side pass at the canter? Because I've never seen that done before. It just looked weird to me, and I wasn't really sure what that was. Just seemed awkward.
    At the time when I was watching it, I thought the extended trot was impressive, but after going back and reading what Longride had to say, I believe I agree. Not only with the extended trot did I notice this, but everything looked very....rushed. Like he had taught the horse in a hurry to get ready for the show rather than in a slow, consciencious manner which prevents the horse from getting to excited and what not. Still, I thought it was a nice performance and I think I'd rather show this to someone curious about Western Dressage and just point out some of the problems rather than show them some of the more popular videos on youtube that I really dislike as examples of western dressage.

    Please, if you have anything else to add or disagree with what I said, don't be afraid to speak up as long as it's in a non-degrading manner XD I'm only 15, and really my top priority is just educated myself and learning about other perspectives/views rather than proving anything to anyone about western dressage :)
         

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