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        02-28-2013, 01:12 PM
      #441
    Super Moderator
    I think its all down to the interpretation of the word Dressage as you don't even have to be riding a horse to do a dressage test in some contexts
    And that takes it back to the original translation of the french word as 'training' and the competitions being a test of that training in whatever discipline
    However I would not want to reopen that can of worms!!!
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        02-28-2013, 01:18 PM
      #442
    Trained
    I hear you
    I think the problem IS the interpretation of the word "dressage", just like the interpretation of the word "collection". Coincidence???
         
        02-28-2013, 01:55 PM
      #443
    Foal
    @Deserthorsewoman

    Oh no, I'm not taking anything personally :) Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course. I can't look at the videos now because of the school server I am on, but I'll look at them when I get home.

    I do politely disagree with you though, as I believe that WD in the least provides an opportunity for people to do something they normally couldn't, like the person who posted just a few posts back that has a bad back and can't ride english.

    Some people also say that WD is just the same thing as reining, and it's definitely not. XD Just my opinion. You do not do upper level dressage manuvers in reining. Reining is it's own, unique thing and is quite different from dressage in my opinion even if they do share some similarities. My horse can do WD, obviously, but he could never be a reining horse xD
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        02-28-2013, 01:55 PM
      #444
    Foal
    (Double post)
         
        02-28-2013, 02:18 PM
      #445
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    The garrocha is moving into cowboy dressage....now lookahere... .this is Spanish riding, doma vaquera, at it's best, or should be. I've seen a Californio (bridle horse, remember) do it. Now, he would be the one who could, since that's where his kind of riding comes from....Spain.

    What im seeing, more and more now, that somebody wants to re-invent the wheel and wants the credit for it. Give it a new, trendy, catchy name and make people think they're doing something special.

    I can imagine what Eitan had in mind when he first started, tho.

    Please, Opal, longride and others who are doing it, don't take what I said personal.
    I just think there was already WD/CD, just not called that.
    I think if you check that video you'll find that it is called 'La Garrocha' and not being relabelled as CD or WD - the person doing the Freestyle demo is in fact Jeff Sanders of Modern Vaquero trying to show what can be achieved. They seem to be very interested in getting involved with CD & Eitan as it opens up new doors for them too in promoting the 'bridle horse' concept and keeping the tradition alive and well into the future
    MODERN VAQUERO
         
        02-28-2013, 03:46 PM
      #446
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Cowboy Dressage Challenge - YouTube

    This is not bad, IMO....I still wouldn't want to call it dressage, but that's maybe the European in me
    I'm sorry, but that does not impress me at all. Go to an AQHA show, watch a trail class and you'll see horses LOPING those poles and not hitting a darn one of them.
         
        02-28-2013, 05:12 PM
      #447
    Foal
    @Video (That GotaDun quoted)

    It was...interesting, but I thought that it just looked like a trail class set up in a dressage ring to me. Even then, I've seen much more careful and well trained trail horses than that horse was. His turn on the forehand looked like what we call jokingly a "turn in the middle", but I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be a turn on the forehand to a turn on the haunches(?) If it was, it should have been more defined and I shouldn't have been left confused. I didn't think it demonstrated many dressage skills or ideas at all. Just my opinion XD
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        02-28-2013, 06:17 PM
      #448
    Trained
    @jaydee ...couldn't watch the garrocha video, not available for mobile, but have seen somebody else do it. Might have been Sanders even.
    @Opal....reading what jaydee said abound Sanders aka ModernVaquero being interested in CD....the rider doing the test is Sanders....and I BET he hasn't practiced anything, has no CD trainer. He has a bridle horse and rides the test with it. It's not about who hits the poles or such, it's about being precise in the maneuvers which should be simulating cowboy work.
    I, personally, don't see any sense for passage or piaffe in everyday cowboy work. Half a turn on the fore, and a whole over the haunches instead is useful.
    Doing highest level dressage maneuvers in a westernsaddle is just that...doing highest level dressage maneuvers in a westernsaddle. For what? At least vaqueros and Spaniards/Portuguese work cattle and still have really well trained horses who function on a thought alone.

    Now, doing WD or CD to arrive at these levels is a different story and I'm all for it.
         
        02-28-2013, 06:23 PM
      #449
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Opal    
    @Video (That GotaDun quoted)

    It was...interesting, but I thought that it just looked like a trail class set up in a dressage ring to me. Even then, I've seen much more careful and well trained trail horses than that horse was. His turn on the forehand looked like what we call jokingly a "turn in the middle", but I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be a turn on the forehand to a turn on the haunches(?) If it was, it should have been more defined and I shouldn't have been left confused. I didn't think it demonstrated many dressage skills or ideas at all. Just my opinion XD
    Yea, I wondered the same thing about the turns. It was a mess.
         
        02-28-2013, 06:32 PM
      #450
    Trained
    The announcer said "half turn on forehand to the right then whole turn on the haunches to the left and vice versa.
         

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