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        03-01-2013, 08:38 PM
      #471
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by longride    
    On another forum it was pointed out by someone who was at the CD event that Jeff had brought a young horse, no one had ever ridden the test before, including him, his mare had never done any type of trail or dressage test, and it was just a ride through to see how the test would flow. Jeff has several videos of his horses working at brandings and at Californio events. The mare would probably have been much less confused with a cow in the ring.
    So I was right.....
         
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        03-01-2013, 08:44 PM
      #472
    Yearling
    Jeff is an ex team roper, not an ex cowboy. There's a huge difference between the two. It's almost a mockery of the true vaquero. People think they can buy a wade saddle, some armitas, and a flat top hat, they can be a vaquero. Jeff is an alright horseman, but his buckaroo garb kinda irks me.. It's easy to fill an image when a camera is on you, but to be out there 24/7 and make a living for yourself and your family is a completely different story..
         
        03-01-2013, 08:49 PM
      #473
    Foal
    I don't think Jeff was trying to impress anybody or come across as a "True Vaquero" or what not. He was just dressing up the part. When people show western, they wear chaps and a cowboy hat, but nobody is trying to to pull off as an actual cowboy in say...a western pleasure class. What if he just thought it would be fun to dress the part? Since he's demonstrating skills that Vaqueros like in a horse, it might just be fun to look the part too. Personally, I'd rather see someone in garb like that than blue jeans, personally XD

    @Deserthorsewoman
    You were right XD
         
        03-01-2013, 08:55 PM
      #474
    Yearling
    I think his garb is just posing as a true vaquero. That's what irks me. It's like people wearing spurs to Walmart... I consider myself a bridle horse person and a true cowgirl, not to brag or nothing, but since I was 18, I've been both day and night working on different ranches. And when I'm not working, your lucky to see me in anything but house slippers because my feet have been broke so many times... Looking the part and being the part are two totally different things..
         
        03-01-2013, 08:59 PM
      #475
    Foal
    Yup. I was put off by this test too when I first saw it. Coming from a hunter/eventer background even my greenest babies would walk straight over a pole. Beyond that it bothered me that the poles interrupted the stride of the horse. The triples were set the same distance for the walk and the jog, which is very restrictive and goes against the call for "natural" gaits. Admittedly it's fair to test adjustability, just goes against the grain for me for it to be that extreme in what appears otherwise to be a very low level test.
         
        03-01-2013, 09:12 PM
      #476
    Foal
    @Longride
    I definitely see your point. I didn't like the video much either for reasons I explained a page back or so, so I don't have much else to say on the matter besides the fact that I didn't find the garb THAT distracting. I think that's minimal compared to how he's riding. Now if the garb was AFFECTING his riding, that's a different thing, but personally I could care less what someone is wearing as long as they are a good rider and their horse is doing everything nicely/correctly.

    @Wanstrom
    I wear spurs into wal-mart sometimes More because I do the most errands on the way to/from the barn and I'll still have my jods, boots and spurs on as opposed to thinking they look cowboy-ish or for "style". They're just regular iron, english spurs though, nothing that makes you sound like you're walking into town at high-noon and you stroll through wal-mart XD
         
        03-01-2013, 09:48 PM
      #477
    Yearling
    In response to Desert on my post about AQHA trail and the previous video posted, here's a vid of the 3rd place Amateur at the 2012 AQHA World Show:


    Big difference in the ease and flow on THIS vid over the one that was posted.
         
        03-01-2013, 09:52 PM
      #478
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Opal    
    I don't think Jeff was trying to impress anybody or come across as a "True Vaquero" or what not. He was just dressing up the part. When people show western, they wear chaps and a cowboy hat, but nobody is trying to to pull off as an actual cowboy in say...a western pleasure class. What if he just thought it would be fun to dress the part? Since he's demonstrating skills that Vaqueros like in a horse, it might just be fun to look the part too. Personally, I'd rather see someone in garb like that than blue jeans, personally XD

    @Deserthorsewoman
    You were right XD
    I'm fairly certain that Sanders cares very much about how he looks, since that is what draws unsophisticated folks to his clinics.

    I don't see anything functional about the examples of that riding (the dressage stuff in western gear). And western IS a functional discipline. Whether on the ranch or traveling across country on trails.

    I wouldn't use a western curb like those folks do unless maybe my horse was locoed and I chose to stick with him rather than walk home packing my tack!
         
        03-01-2013, 09:54 PM
      #479
    Foal
    @Gotadun
    Yeah, you can see the difference in how the horse moves himself and carries himself over the poles. No hesitation either.

    I just wish he's pick up his feet a LITTLE more at the canter. I know AQHA gaits are supposed to be like that, but he looks like he's limping, not loping and it just kind seems weird. I definitely thinkg AQHA gaits should be slower than other breeds, but I feel like they've taken it to the extreme where the horses are lacking the ability to move out and really pick themselves up. I guess that's also just what happens to my opinion when I ride the upitty, big-moving Morgans XD
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        03-01-2013, 10:03 PM
      #480
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by boots    
    I'm fairly certain that Sanders cares very much about how he looks, since that is what draws unsophisticated folks to his clinics.

    I don't see anything functional about the examples of that riding (the dressage stuff in western gear). And western IS a functional discipline. Whether on the ranch or traveling across country on trails.

    I wouldn't use a western curb like those folks do unless maybe my horse was locoed and I chose to stick with him rather than walk home packing my tack!
    I guess you might not consider me very functional then, because I don't do trail or ranch work, nor do I train/ride my horses with that in mind. I like to train my horses with athleticism and obedience in mind, not ranch or trail functionality. Of course, that's just me.

    Like I said a while back, if you believe that Western disciplines should be "functional" for ranch, cow, and trail work, then I'd go talk to some barrel racers or gymkana people too, because as far as I'm concerned barrel racing benefits ranch work no more than dressage does. I'd rather have a horse trained with dressage concepts and ideals in mind as opposed one trained to barrel race or what not.

    I personally divide western into three catagories: Ranch, Rodeo, and Show. Ranch disciplines might be cutting and reining. Rodeo disciplines might be barrel racing and gymkana. Show might be Western Pleasure and Western dressage. That's just how I see it though. A ranch horse, in my opinion, definitely needs to be able to move out more than a western pleasure horse, thus I don't think it fair to lump them into the same catagories.
         

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