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        03-01-2013, 10:39 PM
      #481
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    In response to Desert on my post about AQHA trail and the previous video posted, here's a vid of the 3rd place Amateur at the 2012 AQHA World Show:

    2012 AQHA World Show Winners - YouTube

    Big difference in the ease and flow on THIS vid over the one that was posted.
    I don't think it is quite fair to compare a world show winner trail horse with a guy who's riding a young horse first time indoors over a new obstacle course.
    I do agree his outfit could have been a bit more "neutral" for that occasion.
    I definitely will be looking for videos of him riding with classical masters....that should show how much he knows
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        03-01-2013, 10:45 PM
      #482
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    I don't think it is quite fair to compare a world show winner trail horse with a guy who's riding a young horse first time indoors over a new obstacle course.
    I do agree his outfit could have been a bit more "neutral" for that occasion.
    I definitely will be looking for videos of him riding with classical masters....that should show how much he knows
    Well according to another poster on this forum that is why he travels to Europe, to do just that. I am no judge of Dressage by any means so I am curious what you folks that are familiar with dressage say about him and how he might compare to the Bruce Sandifer pics earlier in the thread.
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        03-01-2013, 10:48 PM
      #483
    Yearling
    Please keep this is mind. I'm a total NimWhit when it comes to English riding, I've never even sat in an English saddle. And I know nothing about dressage. But how is Jeff Sanders riding even close to traditional dressage? Based off the videos I've watched, cowboy dressage looks like a 4H trail course...
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        03-01-2013, 10:48 PM
      #484
    Trained
    Let's wait if jaydee has some footage of that
         
        03-02-2013, 12:29 AM
      #485
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Opal    
    I guess you might not consider me very functional then, because I don't do trail or ranch work, nor do I train/ride my horses with that in mind. I like to train my horses with athleticism and obedience in mind, not ranch or trail functionality. Of course, that's just me.

    Like I said a while back, if you believe that Western disciplines should be "functional" for ranch, cow, and trail work, then I'd go talk to some barrel racers or gymkana people too, because as far as I'm concerned barrel racing benefits ranch work no more than dressage does. I'd rather have a horse trained with dressage concepts and ideals in mind as opposed one trained to barrel race or what not.

    I personally divide western into three catagories: Ranch, Rodeo, and Show. Ranch disciplines might be cutting and reining. Rodeo disciplines might be barrel racing and gymkana. Show might be Western Pleasure and Western dressage. That's just how I see it though. A ranch horse, in my opinion, definitely needs to be able to move out more than a western pleasure horse, thus I don't think it fair to lump them into the same catagories.
    Interesting. I'd agree with those 3 categories, so where would you put western dressage?
         
        03-02-2013, 12:51 AM
      #486
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Opal
    I guess you might not consider me very functional then, because I don't do trail or ranch work, nor do I train/ride my horses with that in mind. I like to train my horses with athleticism and obedience in mind, not ranch or trail functionality. Of course, that's just me.

    Like I said a while back, if you believe that Western disciplines should be "functional" for ranch, cow, and trail work, then I'd go talk to some barrel racers or gymkana people too, because as far as I'm concerned barrel racing benefits ranch work no more than dressage does. I'd rather have a horse trained with dressage concepts and ideals in mind as opposed one trained to barrel race or what not.

    I personally divide western into three catagories: Ranch, Rodeo, and Show. Ranch disciplines might be cutting and reining. Rodeo disciplines might be barrel racing and gymkana. Show might be Western Pleasure and Western dressage. That's just how I see it though. A ranch horse, in my opinion, definitely needs to be able to move out more than a western pleasure horse, thus I don't think it fair to lump them into the same catagories.
    :) I put it under the "Show" catagory.
         
        03-02-2013, 03:20 AM
      #487
    Weanling
    Fail, sorry. :)
         
        03-02-2013, 06:33 AM
      #488
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Opal    
    @Gotadun
    Yeah, you can see the difference in how the horse moves himself and carries himself over the poles. No hesitation either.

    I just wish he's pick up his feet a LITTLE more at the canter. I know AQHA gaits are supposed to be like that, but he looks like he's limping, not loping and it just kind seems weird. I definitely thinkg AQHA gaits should be slower than other breeds, but I feel like they've taken it to the extreme where the horses are lacking the ability to move out and really pick themselves up. I guess that's also just what happens to my opinion when I ride the upitty, big-moving Morgans XD
    See, here's the diffence between the QH gaits and the Morgan gaits and it starts with their conformation....QH's ae built to go flat kneed where Morgans aren't built with straighter angles and more knees. QH's also travel more slow legged....which is why the lope looks strange to people because those legs are moving so slow. It's like if you took a vid of a horse cantering....then put in in slow-motion mode. It takes a fit and talented horse to do that.
         
        03-02-2013, 06:58 AM
      #489
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    I don't think it is quite fair to compare a world show winner trail horse with a guy who's riding a young horse first time indoors over a new obstacle course.
    I do agree his outfit could have been a bit more "neutral" for that occasion.
    I definitely will be looking for videos of him riding with classical masters....that should show how much he knows
    Here's a friend of mine's horse, showing Green Trail for the very first time. Still a big difference:

         
        03-02-2013, 11:21 AM
      #490
    Trained
    Of course it's a difference. Without wanting to defend anybody, since that's not what this is all about, but I still think, knowing the circumstances now, he did a relatively decent job. I guess if he wanted to show AQHA trail, he would have trained his horse for that. He trained his horse in a very "special" way, for every day work, which includes mastering obstacles, which are not indoors, have audience nor are white and pretty. Taking this into consideration, the young horse did and handled quite well. I've seen worse riders who claim to be much more than he does. Again, not to defend anybody or anything. Just trying to be fair.
    I don't even think he's doing much of a disservice to Californios, at least he's trying to keep the tradition alive and make it known to a greater audience. I seriously doubt any of the Europeans who went to one of his clinics would come to the west here and try to snatch a job cowboying.
    I'd still like to see what he does with the classical method.......

    Since the original thread is about western or cowboy dressage, my opinion to it. If it is something which gets people to learn more, great. If it gets people to go compete who wouldn't in breed shows, great. Do we need yet another style of riding? No. Is it something new? No.
    My 0.02$
         

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