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        11-24-2012, 05:36 PM
      #81
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    Let's keep the name calling of each other out of this discussion, please act like adults

    Adults do not look good sitting in time out


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        11-24-2012, 05:55 PM
      #82
    Weanling
    People can call it what they want and do it how they want, as long as it's not harmful to the horses. I ride classical dressage. I don't give two hoots about this whole WD thing. It won't ever have any effect on me or my horse personally.

    (on that warmblood tirade - I love all horses, what jacks me up is when those bad apples who are snobs with warmbloods think their horses are so much better than other breeds who have the same training and talent..."Oh what a gorgeous horse you have, and he moves beautifully. Is he a warmblood?" "Thank you. No, he's a Thoroughbred." "Oh...nevermind." What?)
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        11-24-2012, 06:10 PM
      #83
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Prestige comes with the attitude of some (note: I said "some") people who think having the exotic warmblood and a dressage outfit makes them elite.
    Thank you for the note, Desert
         
        11-24-2012, 06:15 PM
      #84
    Green Broke
    Tigo, I'm very well aware that there are folks who ride dressage who know that a good horse is a good horse is a good horse, regardless of breed. Seeing where this thread went, I felt I had to make it clear, hence the note
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        11-24-2012, 06:20 PM
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    Originally Posted by jaydee    
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    There have been lots of throwing around of ideas - for eg something that is judged on the riders style or having riders do tests on strange horses in order to create more classes and encourage people to come into the sport and not feel intimidated by it.
    An offshoot of your comment:
    They created the "Dressage Rider Tests" to level the playing field for people who don't own fancy horses. It still tests the dressage training of the horse, but the focus is on the rider and how the horse is ridden.

    If this could be ridden in western tack, I'd be all for it! Not even a hesitation. We can ride it in a jump saddle, why not a western saddle too? It would still be dressage, but would allow the average horse to shine. I'd fight to allow western tack in those tests.


    P.s. -- I didn't flag anyone's post.
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        11-24-2012, 06:20 PM
      #86
    Foal
    Slower tempos - there are whole schools of dressage that believe that to get proper collection, the horse must be moving at a slower tempo so the joints have time to compress then rebound. When my TB was beginning collection I was told to encourage (not force) him to work at "the longest possible stride at the slowest possible tempo" in preparation for the work ahead. Any dancer can tell you it's harder to move slowly than to move fast. It requires a lot of energy.This does require the shift of weight to the hind quarters, or slowing down just increases the beating the pasterns take. What WP horses do isn't collected just because it's slow. If you watch a WP horse the joints of the hind legs don't all bend. Sometimes it looks like none do. That plus the low head carriage shown in some breed shows leads to suspensory injuries.

    What a judge should be looking for as the work progresses in an increasing ability to bend the joints of the hind legs - all of them. That results in more power to push up, which creates correct suspension, which is quite a different quality than just bouncing off the ground. The passagey trots so oohed and ahhed over today used to be considered incorrect and I don't think they should be a goal for a WD horse..
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        11-24-2012, 06:47 PM
      #87
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    Originally Posted by core    
    An offshoot of your comment:
    They created the "Dressage Rider Tests" to level the playing field for people who don't own fancy horses. It still tests the dressage training of the horse, but the focus is on the rider and how the horse is ridden.

    If this could be ridden in western tack, I'd be all for it! Not even a hesitation. We can ride it in a jump saddle, why not a western saddle too? It would still be dressage, but would allow the average horse to shine. I'd fight to allow western tack in those tests.


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    The dressage rider tests have been around forever in Germany. Called just that, riders test. The equivalent in jumping is style jumping, where only the rider 's correct style is judged.
    We have Reiterpruefung=rider test
    E-Dressur = entry level dressage
    A-Dressur= beginner dressage
    L-Dressur= easy
    M-Dressur= medium
    S-Dressur= hard
    Intermediaire
    Grand Prix
    Grand Prix Special

    I don't see why WD, or whatever one wants to call it, couldn't move up in these levels. Buck does just that, calling it the making of a bridle horse...
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        11-24-2012, 07:04 PM
      #88
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    Originally Posted by core    
    An offshoot of your comment:
    They created the "Dressage Rider Tests" to level the playing field for people who don't own fancy horses. It still tests the dressage training of the horse, but the focus is on the rider and how the horse is ridden.

    If this could be ridden in western tack, I'd be all for it! Not even a hesitation. We can ride it in a jump saddle, why not a western saddle too? It would still be dressage, but would allow the average horse to shine. I'd fight to allow western tack in those tests.


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    Anything that promotes horseriding and stimulates the industry is good for everyone. As long as judges arent biased and are able to see each case individually based on type then it could work - ability shouldnt really be so affected by tack or clothing in something like that although anything that makes for more comfort or control will have an effect on performance.
    Maybe classes where only snaffle bits are allowed.
    No reason to drop standards - everyone has to start somewhere and lots of people stay in a comfort zone and don't want to go any higher but they can still strive to be the best at what they do
    We have championship Shows in the UK where different breeds and different styles are all judged together taking the best from each class - same as they do at Dog Shows for the championship class.
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        11-24-2012, 09:11 PM
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    Perhaps it just needs a different name.....
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        11-24-2012, 09:57 PM
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    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    Perhaps it just needs a different name.....
    Maybe it does - like I said in my other post, when you feel strongly about something then you have a duty to yourself to do something about it.
    They have a governing body with an email address so why not tell them why you feel it needs a different name and suggest alternatives
    Seriously - not me being sarcastic here. This is something people should do if something doesnt feel right to them - it might not make a difference but at least you'll know you had your say to the people that have the ability to change things
         

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