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post #1 of 43 Old 09-25-2009, 02:54 PM Thread Starter
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What to do with unregistered stallion?

Hi All,
New to the site and have lots of questions and will have many more I'm sure.

I have recently purchased a pair of half-brother Thoroughbreds from impeccable racing bloodlines. They are 5 and 6, past regular racing age, so I'm not trying to race them but I do need to know what they're capable of doing now. I have papers on the 6 year old gelding, but no papers on the 5 year old stallion, which is actually of the best in breeding of the two. The stud fee wasn't paid in full on the stallion by the original owner and the papers naturally weren't obtained as a result. I've found his sire and would be willing to pay the debt to get papers for my stallion, but at his age, and without access to the dam, I'm not likely to be successful. Here's the thing - I've had two people already tell me "don't geld that stallion!". He's a real beauty - a very dark bay color with only the tiny white trace of a stocking on the left hind leg - colored and marked exactly like his grand-sire on his sire side, Seattle Slew. His confirmation and muscle tone is excellent. He's well balanced with a beautiful head on him. He also has a great attitude to go with his looks. You don't need to see papers to know what kind of horse he is or to know he has good breeding. So should I geld him just because he doesn't have papers? Is there nothing he can do or his offspring can do without having papers? What are he and his offspring qualified for? Unregistered horses isn't a topic on any forum or any blog or any article I've seen. That topic is harder to find than the tooth fairy.

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In my humble opinion: Grade horse - geld it.

Actually there is a blog that talks about the breeding of grade horses: fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com


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It sounds like he will make a fine gelding. Please don't put more unregistered horses into an already flooded horse market.
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It sounds like he will make a fine gelding. Please don't put more unregistered horses into an already flooded horse market.
Quoted for truth.


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ditto to the previous posters.

decent stud horses can make great geldings!
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So should I geld him just because he doesn't have papers?
Yes.

Chances are the mare was 'average'.
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The mare was not "average". She was from AP Indy.
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The mare was not "average". She was from AP Indy.
You said you had no access to the dam.

http://www.racingmuseum.org/hall/horse.asp?ID=349

He's not an 'exceptional' stalllion.
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I definitely agree.

If the horse is grade, geld it. We simply do not need more unregistered animals. There is nothing keeping him from performing as a gelding - he simply does not need to be bred.

If you must breed, breed your papered stallion. There are simply too many grade foals in the world. Not that yours would be grade quality - but they would still be grade.
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unfortunately, without papers, that could never be proven. I hate to be like this, but really, there are plenty of grade horses floating around. They may or may not be purebreds but they are still grade and any of their offspring (purebred or not) will still be grade.
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