Good point, ponyboy, but speaking for only myself here - there is one goal, and that is the goal of horsemanship. If there is no influence on the horse, ie no training, it is merely being a passenger. So to be a rider is to be a trainer is to be a horseman. It all goes together.
It also depends on what world you're in too... For a group of trail riders this might be advanced riding, but in a competitive barn it would be considered beginner.