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    09-13-2011, 04:12 PM
  #21
Trained
Dee, You JUST reminded me why I've only owned 3 mares over the years! The one I have now is a gem. I had a 14'0hh QH-type mare a few years ago that had a timer. After about 30 minutes time was up and she wanted you off. I tried schooling her, but I finally sent her to my Amish trainer/farrier thinking I could pay him for the inevitable fight. She spun him so fast that he still says, "she tried to kill me!"
This depression is really making it difficult for both the horses and the owners. Plus, our state (IL) used to have horse slaughter, and unwanted horses were transported there in a day. Now, they all get shipped for several days to who-really-knows-where.
I guess I'm thinking that I should apply my own advice (for finding my place) to finding a new horse. I looked for it for 12 years, and I just kept my radar up. I had specifics:
--real house, not trailer, 3 or more bedrooms
--barn or storage building
--shelter or stalls
--fencing
--not too far from town
I also talked it up, and I found my place bc the daughter-in-law of the sellers told me my (current) property had just gone on the market that day. I contacted my real estate agent, and we saw it the next day, and put a "hold" on it.
I really like CA's advice more and more--to take ANY of these horses back to day one training for respect. HOWEVER, if a new horse bites or strikes I am not sure that a newbie could fix that. =/
     
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    09-13-2011, 04:27 PM
  #22
Weanling
I totally understand how a seller wouldn't want to do an off farm lease. But as a buyer, how do we know if the seller is honest? Or even if the seller is being honest, the only way for a buyer to truly know if the horse is going to work is having it at their own house. So maybe the seller is being honest about how the horse behaves at their farm. But that doesn't mean he's going to behave that way at another farm .

I'd never ask for a free lease. I was thinking when the time comes of asking the seller if I put 50% down, if they'd let me do at least a 14 day trial. If the horse isn't working for me, I'd be willing to pay something for the seller's trouble. Even a few hundred bucks. That would be worth it to me to not have a crazy nutjob horse on my property that now I have to sell.

I hope that wouldn't be too insulting for a seller if I asked that.
I don't know, there has to be some happy medium for buyers and sellers.

I feel like the internet has made it a lot harder for shady sellers though and that's a good thing. It's a shame because I'm sure there are good, honest traders out there who are just making a living. But because of the few bad apples, I'd be afraid to purchase from a trader.
     
    09-13-2011, 04:30 PM
  #23
Yearling
"My four horses are broke to death - so broke and so gentle that folks have asked if either of the younger ones might be for sale. My kind reply is they are broke to death and bombproof (there's that word) because I keep them that way."

Can we highlight and underline and then italicize this sentence? Horses are usually very smart and very good at reading people, and most the ones I've had dealings with, and most certainly the ones I've owned, will be perfect angels for someone who they know won't take any grief but will take the p*ss if they know they can get away with it. A horse who appears "bombproof" at his home barn, with his owners he knows and respects, is more than likely to test the boundaries with his new owners, see if he should afford them the same respect. Sure, horse-sellers lie or exaggerate and sell horses with issues as horses without issues, but plenty of horses who are well-trained also behave differently at a new place with new people, especially when those new people are novices.

I would not sell my horse as a "beginner" horse, even though I have given beginners lessons on her and she is a rock-solid schoolmaster under those circumstances. Even if clueless person is on her back, mom is still "in charge" and she knows her job. I maintain her good manners through constant and consistent "dialogue" with her that other people can't even see, it's that subtle.

I have no doubt that if a novice handled her on a regular basis, or worse, were her only handler, she would, after a while, be extremely pushy and difficult and novice owner would be posting here moaning that the allegedly "bombproof" horse they were sold is now taking off with them.

There are horses out there who will take care of beginners, who won't completely take the p*ss but I don't think they're as common as the horse who will push the novice around and try to do what it wants, unless it is being regularly schooled by a more experienced horseperson.

It's the catch-22 of owning your first horse when you're still fairly green. To handle a horse well, you need experience, and to get experience, you need to handle a lot of horses!
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    09-13-2011, 06:21 PM
  #24
Foal
I've seen and heard the advice to visit a potential horse unannounced when horse shopping. That might work okay if the horse is boarded somewhere, but every horse I've looked at in my search so far is kept at the owner's home, and usually at the back of the property, so it's not like you can just drive by on the road and see the horse over the fence. Do people actually do that--just show up to someone's house unannounced? What if they're not there, are there people who will still just get the horse out and take a spin around the yard? I wouldn't even want to show up unannounced when they are home, though I suppose it is a good idea. Hmm...what do people actually DO, not just say to do?
     
    09-13-2011, 06:41 PM
  #25
Trained
That would be trespassing, and that's why you are quesy about it. I have not ever gotten on a horse that the owner didn't ride first, and that has helped me. Once a prospective horse's owner went bronco with them aboard and I didn't get hurt. It's like this: there are Soooo many horses out there and many really good ones for sale. If you miss a good one, shrug your shoulders and move on. DON'T fall in love with anything that you see. We here ALL adore our best horses, but I really don't think my best horse is any better than somebody else's best horse, and there is a current horse surplus due to the Depression and other reasons. Dee just posted that there are a lot of possible candidates near her---do you live anywhere close? With digital connections today it really opens up possibilities. =D
     
    09-13-2011, 06:51 PM
  #26
Trained
Wow, so sorry to hear about your experiences. Sometimes people just plain suck. I have seen a few adds for horses I had leased in the past and my jaw dropped when I read the incredibly misleading glowing ads about them. People just want their money and who cares who gets hurt. It's just not right.

If you do decide to try to find another horse, feel free to post any adds you see. Lots of people here a very good at reading between the lines and finding the bull. I actually bought the one horse who's owner did disclose a problem. I figured at least that's honest. Anytime I hear an owner blowing tulips and buttercups up my you know what about how great their horse is, I run the other way. There just is no perfect horse.
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    09-13-2011, 08:23 PM
  #27
Showing
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Originally Posted by sabowin    
I've seen and heard the advice to visit a potential horse unannounced when horse shopping. That might work okay if the horse is boarded somewhere, but every horse I've looked at in my search so far is kept at the owner's home, and usually at the back of the property, so it's not like you can just drive by on the road and see the horse over the fence. Do people actually do that--just show up to someone's house unannounced? What if they're not there, are there people who will still just get the horse out and take a spin around the yard? I wouldn't even want to show up unannounced when they are home, though I suppose it is a good idea. Hmm...what do people actually DO, not just say to do?
I don't show up unannounced necessarily but will when I contact a seller I say "I have a very hectic schedule, will you be home in the afternoon on such and such day?" and then show up a half hour before noon.
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    09-13-2011, 08:28 PM
  #28
Trained
When I was looking, I always said that I had a horse to look at before theirs, showed up 30 minutes early or so to make sure the horse wasn't being lunged to death or drugged before my arrival, and told a little white lie that I got done with the previous seller sooner than I expected and was running early.
     
    09-13-2011, 09:01 PM
  #29
Foal
OP Im afraid worldwide you have to be so careful when looking for a horse, how is your dad? Whats happening with that horse? All I can offer you is what I do when looking for a horse.

*Best bet buy a horse you know or know the owners and have seen it in action over a decent period of time ( this is not always possible)
* Find an " expert" someone you trust who is aware of your capabilities and will be honest with you to go with you.
* NEVER EVER get on any animal without the owners riding it first
*Go back as many times as you can if they are genuine they will not mind I rode one of my old horses for 3 months before I bought it
*Dont always give the sellers alot of notice to avoid doping etc
*Be aware of how the horses environment would differ with you ie a horse kept and ridden it in company may be unable to cope living alone and riding out alone
* I would advise getting a horse vetted with a blood test
* If the potential is there to have the horse on loan first go for it (believe it or not sometimes happens)
*never ever be pressured into a quick sale, you could make a mistake
*Do everything you want to do with that horse to ensure its sutible for your needs

Sure ill think of something really obvious when I press send! Would love to know your current situation with it all, hope your all ok. And I know someone mentioned before even a genuine horse will often try its luck a few weeks in x
     
    09-13-2011, 09:16 PM
  #30
Weanling
Its just as bad here in the UK. Someone sold a quite nasty shetland stallion as a lead rien to some little childrens parent :( All they care about is the money. One lady was sold a hack turned out to have very severe sweet itch the horse was bought in the winter.

When I buy horses I want to do everything with them I would do if they were mine, go catch it up in the field, bring it in,tie it up, groom it,tack it up. You get a feel for a horse by how it re acts, never be the first one on it. If its safe the owner will get on it.

If you want the horse to be good on the road see it hacked out in traffic, if you want it for jumping see it jumped. Take someone else along with you 2 pairs of eyes is better than 1.

You wouldn't rush into buying anything else so take your time buying your horse too.
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