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post #11 of 26 Old 04-10-2009, 05:29 AM Thread Starter
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yeah, but some people kick the horse too hard with their spurs and it can really hurt the horse. If you use spurs correctly then they are fine...
It is amazing how if these items are used correctly they are fine by many....

Out of curiousity, what would everyone do if someone wasn't using them correctly and was hurting the horse?

Me? I would go over and tell the girl/guy how to use it correctly or take them off of her and discourage her/him.

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post #12 of 26 Old 04-10-2009, 05:56 AM
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I usually carry a whip but never really use it, moo only needs a waft of it to realise what she has done isnt what I wanted. The only thing I will say is that people sitting on horses and jumping or whatnot isn't really natural anyway, like a horse having a bit in its mouth. As long as the horse seems pretty happy I'm not fussy what the rider is using

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post #13 of 26 Old 04-10-2009, 06:05 AM
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I try very hard to avoid having to use any artificial aids such as spurs and whips. But if needed, after working with a horse which I've exhausted many different ways in which to avoid using a whip or spurs; I will use them. It's all a matter of appropriate use, as well as how the horse reacts. Many horse's will realise that: "okay I've just been told to wake up at listen because I'm being asked something" (for example). These horse's will merely 'pick up' and continue being ridden seemingly unphased by the use of the whip. But some horses really shouldn't have a whip used on them no matter what. As their response to it's use shows they are not acceptive of it at all, and so it is not appropriate. So the use of the whip in regards to it's appropriateness can vary in my opinion. If that makes sense.

With most of the horses I ride/educate I don't use a whip, and if I do, it's often only now and again if I need to get a horse's attention/response. I really do not like to use them though. However some horses, wether it's their mentality in regards to dominance and submission in their relationship with humans, gender and thus hormones and increased dominating behaviours (talking stallions here) do require the use of a whip. Simply because many other means of having the upper hand in a human-horse relationship don't have the affect (for lack of better word) to inforce/maintain the dominant one. And so, the whip (or lead rope even) is a short, sharp, immediate way to 'lay down the law' so-to-speak. This is the downside of riding and working with stallions as most have had the whip introduced to them as a dominance tool as well as a training tool and it's often something they tend to rely on in controlling their behaviour. :/ Not all of them, but some of them do. Don't want to seem like I'm saying that stallions are the wild uncontrollable beasts some make them out to be. There are many darling ones around :).

Of course outright flogging a horse is down right uncalled for. Although I have seen some horses which have benefitted from a flogging (not drawing blood and the most horribly imaginable event I thought they would end up as :(, but still horrid), merely because their dominance could only be countered by it. I certainly didn't like it at the time and a lot of words was said (or screamed rather), and I was quite ready to take the horse out of the hands of the handler or separate the 2 in some way. I still don't like it, and I never will. With a particular horse I felt that all was needed wa a completely different approach, but unfortunately what happenned happenned. :l


Tayz, I'd probably take them off him or her :). While possibly fighting the urge to use (talking the whip here) them on the person (shame on me :P). I don't mean that nastily, like beating them or anything. But if they feel what their horse feels it can teach em alot sometimes.

Interesting Thread :).

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post #14 of 26 Old 04-10-2009, 06:20 AM
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I pretty much always carry a crop while riding my Standardbred Gelding simply due to his stubbornness. I only hit him once in a blue moon though.
Simply moving it makes him go. ;)

When it comes to other horses that don't need whips though, I would never carry one. Skittish horses or forward moving horses for example.

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post #15 of 26 Old 04-12-2009, 06:52 AM
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I never use a whip as i think that they are wrong and do hurt horses :(
But it is your own opinion :)
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post #16 of 26 Old 04-12-2009, 08:13 AM
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I personally don't like to use one - usually just because it's another thing to worry about dropping lol!! I don't have anything against them though, I know a lot of people who use them -- as long as they're used to tap and not BEAT the horse, and as long as it's as a reinforcement to the natural aids, I think it's fine.

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post #17 of 26 Old 04-12-2009, 08:46 AM
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I use spurs, but when i do dressage i hold the dressage whip. when i jump thought my horse can be rather lazt so i hold the crop but i never hit them with it. welll ocasonly when im training babys i need them thought
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post #18 of 26 Old 04-13-2009, 09:58 AM
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Some people are far harsher with their hands than those who use spurs or crops would ever be.

I sometimes ride a horse who is ridden by many different people, including children. Because of this, sometimes he gets a bit testy. He likes to test the rider at times. He sometimes forgets that I'm a stubborn mamma. A very light flick of a crop can do wonders. Heck, I know that my leg pressure is more intense than the light flick of the crop. But....a he can see the crop out of the corners of his eyes so it can be more effective than leg pressure at times.

To me, it's an awful lot like spanking a child. It's much more humane, IMO, to spank a child (we're not talking about beating a child or a horse) than it is to let a child do what he wishes. Just as I'd spank my young child for running out into the street so that he won't do it again and be killed the next time, I would use a crop on my horse.

I can't think of any method of discipline that can't be used harshly and inappropriately.

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post #19 of 26 Old 04-13-2009, 10:07 AM
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I hate to say I use a whip stick or whatever is handy when I can't get my point across in any other way.
We are saddle breaking a couple of 3 year olds. We rode Saturday in the round pen just doing walk, whoa, back lesson under saddle. Saro would not go forward so I grabbed a saddle string and tapped her on the butt with it. She walked out. I've decided to carry a crop from now on. I use it as the final cue when nothing else is getting the point across.

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post #20 of 26 Old 04-17-2009, 07:55 PM
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I sometimes use one on my lesson horse. I always start the lesson without it, but if he's being lazy I'll grab one. However, I have actually never had to use it on him. Just the mere presence of it really smartens him up, and he becomes much more responsive to my leg.
However, I don't like the fact that he almost relies on it - without a whip, he is like a totally different horse. I have slowly been trying to carry one less and less often. On Monday he was energetic enough that I didn't need a whip the entire lesson.
I'm not sure why he's so responsive just to its presence, but it makes me wonder if one of the other students is using a whip a little too much.
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