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        07-05-2011, 01:32 PM
      #21
    Banned
    It is very illegal in PA to dispose of a horse. They have recently added a few options to make it slightly less expensive but you do need a rendering person. Burying a horse in PA is illegal. Burning a body is illegal. If your site is inspected, I believe they will allow you to 'compost' a horse though.

    Back to the OP, I think some people get in over their heads with horses and just need them gone. No quicker way than to send them to the auction. I personally have no problem with auctions or slaughter. I've gotten some great horses at auction. As far as slaughter goes, I think there are so many horses and not enough homes. The surplus has to go somewhere. Not everyone can afford to keep a horse through thick or thin.

    Off Topic but...some horses are at auction and on the meat truck for a reason. Some are dangerous, sick, injured...etc. If it is a horse that you aren't attached to, what difference does it make if you put it down in your field or the slaughter house does?
         
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        07-05-2011, 01:49 PM
      #22
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    It is legal, Heels. It's just not legal to sell it for human consumption in the US.

    I can take one of my horses to the local slaughter house and have it butchered for my own consumption. I just can't sell the meat. I can give it away, but I can't sell it.

    Except for California and Oregon, horse slaughter is still legal in the US.
    sorry, thanks for clarifying that for me. I meant I wish the slaughterhouses in the US hadn't closed down. I know that people can kill their own livestock.
    Which is another reason why I can't fathom a meat truck being a better option for a dangerous horse. A bullet to the head is kinder. More work for the owner, yes, but again, who said horses were easy? Lol
         
        07-05-2011, 01:50 PM
      #23
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by Heelsdown    
    I've heard of this, too. So there has to be some type of disposal option for a horse owner. Surely someone has had a horse die on their property. I'm just a very detailed person and this is the kind of grim stuff I think about. I would have to know what I would do should I walk out to the barn one day and find a dead horse.
    The problem is, you do not know the rendering company will not come until you are stuck in that situation.

    Someone I know had to have a horse put down a little bit back. Everyone was shocked to learn the rendering company was not an option. It took several days to find a way to dispose of the body. Good thing it all happened in the middle of winter. The option that was finally found was not cheap either.
         
        07-05-2011, 01:59 PM
      #24
    Weanling
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    As far as slaughter goes, I think there are so many horses and not enough homes. The surplus has to go somewhere. Not everyone can afford to keep a horse through thick or thin.
    Agreed. I know this from doing dog and cat rescue. I could never understand why people could say they were against euthanizing. I mean what are we supposed to do with all of the unwanted animals? Stockpile them in warehouses? Let them go into a hoarder situation? We need to educate people on being more responsible but in the meantime, euthanizing is the only option for the unwanted animals we have.


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    Off Topic but...some horses are at auction and on the meat truck for a reason. Some are dangerous, sick, injured...etc. If it is a horse that you aren't attached to, what difference does it make if you put it down in your field or the slaughter house does?
    The difference isn't for the owner, it's for the horse. A quick bullet to the head in a field is a far more humane than the haul to Mexico or Canada. There's a huge difference.

    I mean, we all know that while horses aren't only a luxury for the wealthy, but let's face it, they aren't for poor people either. If you are living hand to mouth, horses are NOT the business for you. A horse is not the pet for you. So when someone who can afford a horse, let alone multiple horses speaks as though they literally didn't have the money to humanely euthanize their horse, it just sounds bogus to me.

    It seems the truth of the matter is, they didn't want to spend the money. Far cry from not having the money. Nobody likes vet bills. They suck. I don't think it has anything to do with being attached to an animal. I'm not attached to the neighbor's dog down the street. Doesn't mean I'd want to see it packed on a truck with 100 other dogs headed to Mexico or Canada, terrified the whole way.
    Doesn't make me a bleeding heart. Doesn't mean I'm anthropomorphic . It just means I have a modicum of compassion for a being that feels pain and fear.
         
        07-05-2011, 02:11 PM
      #25
    Showing
    I understand where you're coming from, Heels.

    While I have no problem with equine slaughter, I do think the long truck rides are completely inhumane.

    It's not the deaths that bother me so much, as the suffering the animals are forced to go through before those deaths.

    If the plants were reopened here the US, the rides would be much shorter and the horses would meet their ultimate fates more quickly.

    Dead is dead, and what you do with the body afterward isn't my concern. My concern is for the living animal and what its existence is like before it dies.
         
        07-05-2011, 02:24 PM
      #26
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    I understand where you're coming from, Heels.

    While I have no problem with equine slaughter, I do think the long truck rides are completely inhumane.

    It's not the deaths that bother me so much, as the suffering the animals are forced to go through before those deaths.

    If the plants were reopened here the US, the rides would be much shorter and the horses would meet their ultimate fates more quickly.

    Dead is dead, and what you do with the body afterward isn't my concern. My concern is for the living animal and what its existence is like before it dies.
    Thank you. I'm glad you understand what I'm saying. To deny the cruelty involved in leading up until the time the animal is killed is just sticking one's head in the sand. From the auction, until the horse is killed and everything in between, is just a grotesque way for a horse to die. And there are so many good horses, that gave their hearts to their owners that end up that way. It's just not dangerous or mean horses that "deserved" their fate.
    So basically the meat truck and auctions are convenient for owners, but it's definitely a stretch to say they were the only option for an unwanted horse.
         
        07-05-2011, 02:48 PM
      #27
    mls
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Heelsdown    
    It's making it sound like you had NO choice that I'm not understanding. That's why I was asking.

    I was really wondering if some people live in places so rural that there are no vets around? Or is it hard to find an equine vet who will euthanize?
    I know there are plenty of dealers and traders who will sell a horse for meat and not bat an eye.

    Make it sound like a sob story where you just didn't have the choice?
    I'd respect a person more if they said they shot their own horse than the person who make it sound like there were violins playing as they sadly collected their money from the meat buyer.
    Yes - there are places that rural. Do YOU know how to properly shoot a horse to ensure it will not suffer?

    YOUR decision to not send a horse down the road on a truck. Many individuals do not have the option. It's not a sob story.
         
        07-05-2011, 02:56 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heelsdown    
    euthanizing is the only option for the unwanted animals we have.
    No it is not the ONLY option.

    It might be the more humane option, but you cannot tell me that everyone is going to go euthanize their animal. Not to mention the horses that have been left to starve a few times.

    Some animals are going to get shot, some animals are going to be set free to fend for themselves, others taken to auction or to the pound.


    Again, not everyone sees their horses at pets, but you keep saying this repeatedly.

    Just because people own multiple horses doesn't mean that they have the extra money laying around for a euthanization. I would bet $10 (that I do not have) that there are several members on this board who own a horse or horses, that would be hard pressed to come up with the money tomorrow, if they needed to euthanize a horse.
         
        07-05-2011, 04:41 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mls    
    Yes - there are places that rural. Do YOU know how to properly shoot a horse to ensure it will not suffer?

    YOUR decision to not send a horse down the road on a truck. Many individuals do not have the option. It's not a sob story.
    Well I know how to shoot a cow, so I imagine a horse isn't much different. And if there is anyone who could shoot a horse so it didn't suffer, it's people in rural areas. But it doesn't matter if I could or not. I've scraped before with money. If I had an old, sick or injured horse, he'd be euthed. By the vet, whatever that cost would be.

    When you say "not an option" are you referring strictly to finances or that there is not a vet in these rural areas? If there is no vet, then what happens to horses that are injured? They can't be selling every injured horse. I realize there aren't vets around the corner, but I would hope that a horse owner, even one in a rural area, does have a vet that they use, no?

    I'm just not sure what you mean by they don't have the option. That was my original question. The only answer I've seen so far is they didn't want to spend the money.

    I have no doubt that there are many people who are tight on money. Gosh I've been there myself. And vet bills always have a way of coming up at THE worst times. But I have a hard time believing that every person who has sold to auction did so because of money reasons and not because of convenience.

    I thought when I started this post that perhaps there were people who truly believed that a horse they couldn't use anymore could be euthanized or that maybe it wasn't an option. But I kind of answered my own question. In a rural area, you'd still need a vet for an injured horse, so the rural thing doesn't really make sense.
    I guess I'm looking for an answer that I'm not going to find. I just can't imagine spending so much time and money with an animal but still not seeing it as anything more than livestock that is meant to be eaten. Different mindset I guess.
         
        07-05-2011, 05:08 PM
      #30
    Weanling
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    Just because people own multiple horses doesn't mean that they have the extra money laying around for a euthanization. I would bet $10 (that I do not have) that there are several members on this board who own a horse or horses, that would be hard pressed to come up with the money tomorrow, if they needed to euthanize a horse.[/I]
    I'm sure that is true and I would implore those people to look long and hard at their finances and maybe come to terms with the fact that horse ownership isn't for them. What are they going to do if that animal breaks a leg? What would they do if their horse got sick or hurt? If a person is hurting for money that bad, then spending hundreds a month just for a horse's care is just whistling past the graveyard.
         

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