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post #1 of 9 Old 08-12-2011, 10:50 PM Thread Starter
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Question won't allow rider bareback? and bit question

I have an appy that we got from new holland auction last June. He does pretty well under saddle, still working out the kinks but he's not too bad. A few months ago my friend was going to take him out on the trail since she was putting her friend on her bomb proof horse. She always rides her horse bareback so she asked if she could try bareback with him. I told her I had never tried but she was welcome to. He got very tense when she tried to get on and quickly scooted away. I thought maybe it was because he didn't know her really well(he's standoffish with new people) so we just put a saddle on and he was fine. Today my brother came back to help me unload some feed and he was feeling daring(he doesn't ride lol) so he was going to try to hop(literally, he's very athletic and Legacy is only 15hh so he could easily). I held Legacy's halter and he put his hand on his withers and again he got very worked up(he was also twitching where Brenton put his hands). the head went up like he was going to rear and started trying to scoot away. I'd like to get him looked at by a chiropractor but I'm having trouble finding one that will come out to this area.I'm also a bit worried how he will react to a stranger poking and prodding at his back. We had a massage therapist come out back in November and she couldn't work past his shoulders. Do you think it's a pain issue or the fact that he may never have ridden bareback before? I'm thinking maybe a combo of both. He does hollow out a lot when riding with a saddle. I'm hoping when my mom comes back from vacation she still has the chiropractor's number that we used 6ish years ago.

Now for the bit question, he doesn't seem to like the loose ring snaffle I've been using on him. I borrowed a high port curb(the shanks were long which I didn't like but I just wanted to see how he would react) and he did seem to like that bit better then the snaffle, So I ordered this bit(i've seen it recommended around here before) FES Bit Western Jointed Port/Roller Mouth in Mullen/Low Port at Schneider Saddlery
Does this seem like it might be a good bit for him?

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I imagine he does have back pain, but I bet the scooting away and getting nervous relates far more to just not being used to bareback riding. I'd do some desensitation work in that area, and I imagine he'll improve with time.

The bit you posted is a good bit, but it's quite a change from a snaffle.
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post #3 of 9 Old 08-13-2011, 12:57 AM
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I think I know! You probably put the saddle too far forward. I've learned to lift the horses leg up and feel for the back of the shoulder blade and place the saddle there. Most people think if you put it back it will give the horse back pain but it doesn't. Putting it forward does, and you may find that his strides will get longer.
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If he's getting really tense and freaking out like you're describing, it sounds more like a pain issue somewhere. My mare doesn't understand bareback and to my knowledge, hasn't been ridden bareback in her life (she's 8). For sure not in the last 5 years. If I try to stand next to her and jump on, she gets extremely angry and will turn her butt to me and start kicking out. I don't think mine so much is pain because I did get on her once with a bareback pad when she was in a "eh. I could care less." mood. Getting on and off was still a little nerve-wracking for me, but I moved fast and she was fine while I was actually on..

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It's not so unusual for a horse to be a bit uncomforatable about bareback at first. And if you are hopping on, that's bound to make it worse. YOu land harder and the whole experience for a prey animal might feel too close to a predator snagging them and landing on them. They can learn to tolerate this, tho.

If your hrose hollows out under saddle, can't be massage past his shoulder (toward the back, right?) and has some head shaking/throwing up, these are all classic, hallmarke signs of pain in the back, usually due to poor saddle fit.

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It's not so unusual for a horse to be a bit uncomforatable about bareback at first. And if you are hopping on, that's bound to make it worse. YOu land harder and the whole experience for a prey animal might feel too close to a predator snagging them and landing on them. They can learn to tolerate this, tho.

If your hrose hollows out under saddle, can't be massage past his shoulder (toward the back, right?) and has some head shaking/throwing up, these are all classic, hallmarke signs of pain in the back, usually due to poor saddle fit.

you know what to do!

Couldn't of said it better myself!

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.

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My friends TB wont move when he has some one bareback. Well my friend daren't move him cz she says he feels like a bomb about to explode under her. When bare back, it does put more pressure in a smaller area which some horses simply can't stand. Although from the other symptoms, like tinyliny said, the horse sounds like he is sore across his back


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That bit will be considerably different than the snaffle that you had been riding on him. Now if he old enough and mature enough to handle a solid bit like that I think that is totally fine. Keep in mind that those two bits work in two totally different fashions so be aware of that while riding. More importantly while introducing the new piece of equipment to your horse.
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Have you ever tried to ride him bareback? My thoughts are that it is not the fact that he doesn't have a saddle on him, but more so that he had a strange rider and then a non rider trying to jump up onto his back, to make him be uncomfortable with the situation.
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