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  • Can rearing kill a rider
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    03-27-2011, 08:56 AM
  #21
Green Broke
Yeah, I agree with the people on here. I might be willing to take on a rearer when I am older and have more experience, But I really don't think I would take one that flipped. The horse killed someone... I don't even think most PROFESSIONAL trainers would take this horse...

You should really talk to her parents to prevent her from getting the horse because I know exactly what she is thinking. "Black Beauty" "The Black Stallion" "Purtty Mustang" I used to think like that too... Until I realized that horses are dangerous... and one that already KILLED someone! You can't save them all....
     
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    03-27-2011, 09:35 AM
  #22
Green Broke
You couldn't pay me to take a rearer even if it hadn't hurt someone else. One good thing is maybe it will rear over and kill itself when it konks it's head. You can't fix stupid.
     
    03-27-2011, 09:40 AM
  #23
Banned
I would say no, absolultely not. Rearing as a resistance is very hard to cure once learned, even by a professional with lots of time and patience. In another thread on this forum, I encouraged an experienced rider to take a chance on a horse that reared on mounting because I was fairly certain it was caused by previous bad handling.

Here's my personal scale -

Rearing out of pain or confusion - okay
Stop the pain and confusion, build trust and good experience with the horse

Small, rears out of resistance - borderline
Horse needs to be ridden by a bold, assertive rider, focusing on *forward*

Bigger rears, or established habit - no
Requires a pro to fix, may always be a professional ride only

Rears and flips - NO
Probably not worth the risk of retraining

Rears and flips more than once - Euthanize
A horse that cares more about resisting that it's own safety will always and forever be a dangerous horse, including to handle on the ground
     
    03-27-2011, 09:45 AM
  #24
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
You couldn't pay me to take a rearer even if it hadn't hurt someone else. One good thing is maybe it will rear over and kill itself when it konks it's head. You can't fix stupid.
Gotta agree with you there.
     
    03-27-2011, 10:05 AM
  #25
Super Moderator
Some people think they can fix things. There is thought that if you flip a horse over on it's back it won't rear again, maybe she's thinking it really won't rear again. Or maybe she thinks with love or understanding or even proper training she can fix it. (this is me trying to understand her thought process)

As the owner of a rearer, I have made the decision that I will never buy or own a horse that rears again. I have had a rearer for 24 years and we've done everything to fix it and sometimes things just can't be fixed. I would not buy a rearer. Maybe you can print this thread. Of course I only read page one. If it's gone hot and people are degrading her later on then I would I would really think hard about her reactions before I show it to her.
     
    03-27-2011, 10:25 AM
  #26
Weanling
In this situation, I would pass it by ~ If the rider had died of their own cause ( falling over a jump, or non-horse behavior caused) then I don't think I would be too concerned. However, this horse is dangerous. His rearing could be physical discomfort, but I've seen some plain old jerky horses out there, who may or may not break the habit. This horse is best placed in the hands of a VERY experienced professional. If this horse has a decent attitude when being handled on the ground, a pasture pal for an experienced horse family is a possibility.

The only 'plus' in this situation is probably his price tag, I wouldn't imagine they are asking a lot for him, if they are, I'm sure his price will shoot down in no time.
     
    03-27-2011, 10:26 AM
  #27
Showing
OP, you've already tried talking to her parents. As you said, it's time to get her trainer involved. After all, he/she is going to be the one who has to deal with this nutcase of a horse the majority of the time.

Maybe another adult, especially an authority figure, can get through to her parents.

This child has been riding for 4 years on what I'm going to assume are well trained, school horses. She has NO clue that there are horses in this world that are just flat out dangerous, and should never be ridden. A chronic flipper is one of those.

I've been riding for 33 years. No way, no how would I take on a flipper. That horse would be put out to pasture or euthed, depending on its ground manners.

There are far too many good, sane, safe horses out there to risk life and limb on one with a shady history.
     
    03-27-2011, 10:33 AM
  #28
Showing
Wow, could I rant on this one. So if it gets long winded, sorry in advance. I tend to agree quite a bit with Maura's scale. If it is out of pain it is one thing, but this sounds like another thing completely.

I have been training horses for 18 years, have a mom who is a retired trainer and a grandfather who is a retired trainer. I WOULD NOT TAKE THIS HORSE IF THEY GAVE HIM TO ME.

I have re-trained a couple horses over the years that would rear, but nothing near as bad as this one sounds. It is not fun, easy or enjoyable in any respect. I would gladly take any bronc type bucker, bolter, charger, biter, kicker before another who rears. Some can be rehabbed, but most tend to revert to that as their escape method when in an uncomfortable for them situation regardless of training/fixing time. A dear friend of mine will never have children from one going over on her so I have a huge distaste for a rearing horse. If a client asked me to take on a rearing horse that had already killed someone, I would 100% turn them down.

A 16 yr old, REGARDLESS of how good of a rider is, cannot possibly have logged enough training hours to deal with an issue such as that. I had already trained a handful of horses from start to finish at that age and I would have never considered one that had that problem and my mom most certainly would have stepped in had I thought I was "big enough" to deal with it. SHAME ON HER PARENTS for even considering it. They are giving their daughter permission for e.r. Visits and possibly worse given he has killed one owner already.
     
    03-27-2011, 10:38 AM
  #29
Weanling
Eek, I hope you can get through to her to not go anywhere near this horse! I've ridden a milder rearer before and it was awful. After that I wouldn't touch any habitual rearer with a 50ft poll, never mind a flipper who has killed someone.

Buckers, I've handled many of, rearers no. Doesn't help that I saw a 17.1h warmblood flip onto a rider once, almost killing them. I knew a woman who died from falling off at the walk without a helmet, horse riding has a lot of risks, why take on one as extreme as this? Ultimately the horse's behavoir will lead to it's own destruction. A woman at a barn I once rose at put down her horse because it kicked anyone who went within 5ft of it. It's a sad thing when a horse gets to this point.
     
    03-27-2011, 10:59 AM
  #30
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by maura    
Rearing out of pain or confusion - okay
stop the pain and confusion, build trust and good experience with the horse

Small, rears out of resistance - borderline
Horse needs to be ridden by a bold, assertive rider, focusing on *forward*

Bigger rears, or established habit - no
Requires a pro to fix, may always be a professional ride only

Rears and flips - NO
Probably not worth the risk of retraining

Rears and flips more than once - Euthanize
A horse that cares more about resisting that it's own safety will always and forever be a dangerous horse, including to handle on the ground
I totaly agree with you, stan reared out of pain on me twice in 20 years, both times it was his saddle and both times adjusting the saddle stopped the behavior immediately. He fell into the first category.

I was at a show yesterday and rode a pony that fell into the second category. I was asked to get on a little childs pony that was playing up (refusing to go forwards, pony at its first show and it was horrificly busy, confidence thing I think). I got on, asked her to go forwards and we started going backwards. I tried the nicey nicey confidence building approach but she wasnt having it so I stuck my leg on hard and realy pushed her forwards (bigger rider can push harder then an 8 yr old) and she bounced the front end, it came a few inches off the floor before I got realy cross with her (rearers and nappy ponys get my temper going) and booted her, she shot forwards and then rode realy nicely she just needed to get moving forwards and out of the stuck in reverse mind set. Child then got on and the mare did a foot perfect show. I will add that this pony has never EVER reared before and they were only small (and on a 12hh pony not exactly threataning). I wont ride something that goes any further then that mare did.

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Originally Posted by MHFoundation Quarters    
I WOULD NOT TAKE THIS HORSE IF THEY GAVE HIM TO ME.

I would gladly take any bronc type bucker, bolter, charger, biter, kicker before another who rears.
Totaly agree and I've been riding for 25 years (am only 26!). I would never touch something known to rear but will take on a bucker, biter, kicker, bolter or charger!
     

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