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        04-24-2014, 12:58 AM
      #11
    Yearling
    While I understand everyone's concerns about children wearing helmets I also feel that the drama and judgment get way overblown.

    I come from rodeo country where the lead line classes have 18month old walking around barrels all the way up to 7, 8, 9 year olds running full speed in the event. None of these kids wear helmets. I feel no judgment toward their parents for this.

    What I do feel is grateful that there are still families that spend the weekend with their kids and share their love of horses. I see happy kids and proud mom and dads. I see successful families who are raising their kids right. Its amazing.

    Its ok to recognize that there is room for improvement but I think its important to take the good with the bad.
         
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        04-24-2014, 08:55 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    I don’t really care whether adults wear helmets or not, however as a parent myself I know that children are little bundles of emotion and have not been on this earth long enough to develop judgement .
    This 11 year old I am talking about is bowing to peer pressure from the other kids in her riding group and her mother is going along with it.
    I still believe that the parent is ulitimately responsiblefor the protection of them in any way possible until they are old enough to make rational decisions.
         
        04-24-2014, 09:22 AM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Skipsfirstspike    
    Actually, while you are an instructor, maybe you should set an example for your students and wear a helmet while riding at the barn? Kids definitely look up to their mentors :)
    I just wanted to give a thumbs up to this.

    Some instructors and some barns require that those under the age of 18 wear a helmet while taking lessons or riding. To "back that up" then the instructors and barn owners (adults) should be expected to wear helmets to set a good example for the kids.

    My English riding instructor requires I wear a helmet when I ride (and I am well over 18). And she wears a helmet herself, even while she is just on the ground while I am riding.

    When we were younger, my mother made us all wear helmets. And she got one for herself too.

    So to the OP --> If you feel strongly that all children should wear helmets, then you should don one yourself to set a good example.
         
        04-24-2014, 09:53 AM
      #14
    Showing
    The gal who posted the thread is aware of the dangers. She is just trying to understand why someone would risk a head injury when it could possibly be prevented by the use of a helmet. Everything in life has risk but we can't lock our kids up to keep them safe. There are mothers who can't say no to their kids because they want to be pals instead of having a parent - child relationship.
         
        04-24-2014, 09:53 AM
      #15
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chasin Ponies    
    ...I still believe that the parent is ulitimately responsiblefor the protection of them in any way possible until they are old enough to make rational decisions.
    That is what the parent is doing. You dislike how the parent assess and handles the risk. That does not make the parent an idiot or irrational. Most of the people I've known who ride have ridden their entire lives without a head injury, and without anyone in their family injuring their head.

    Do you complain about the irrational behavior of parents who let their kids learn to jump horses? Do you complain about parents who let their kids use English saddles, when Australian saddles have more safety features? Do you complain about parents who let their kids ride without body protectors, when a smashed back can cripple their kid for life? Do you complain about parents who let their kids climb trees? Do you complain about parents who let their kids ride dirt bikes?

    After all, "Statistics are just statistics and are of no comfort when itís your child that becomes 1 in a million."
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        04-24-2014, 10:29 AM
      #16
    Weanling
    I never wore a helmet as a minor. I ran around through trails helmetless, no cell phone and sometimes no shoes, and usually by myself. I don't think it made my parents irresponsible or foolish, I just didn't. I never thought about minimizing risk when I was doing a whole lot of stupid things.Now, I always wear one on a client's horse, for liability reasons, but that's about it. Are helmets a good, safe idea? Of course. But it's my choice.

    And it's up to the individual parents to make that call for their kids, though I think that property owners and instructors would be foolish if they didn't make helmets mandatory for minors in today's sue-happy world.
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        04-24-2014, 10:36 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    While I think it's important to wear a helmet, unfortunately the helmet debate will be raging on for generations to come. Some people don't like wearing one, some people flip out every time they see somebody not wearing one and start hollering up and down. Honestly the best you can do is state your piece, and then if the person refuses to listen, it is on their heads (literally and figuratively) if they become that one in a million.

    Unfortunately any sport runs the risk of injury. I think that a $50 helmet is cheap insurance against what could be a lifetime of medical costs and heartbreak. But I choose this for myself- I don't have the authority to choose it for other people.

    To me, the importance is WHAT you are protecting. A traumatic brain injury can mean the difference between living a normal life and being a vegetable. You can heal from a broken leg/arm, cracked ribs, a bad fall- you might have lasting effects, but typically they are not going to change how life is lived. My brain is how I make my living and survive. I insure my car, my apartment, my belongings, so insuring that my brain is protected (so far as it can be, no safety method is 100%) is important to me.
         
        04-24-2014, 10:44 AM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bsms    
    ANOTHER "Anyone who doesn't wear a helmet is an idiot" thread?

    If you want safety, don't ride horses. If you ride, you accept a certain amount of risk. How much? No one can quantify it because there are too many variables. If you jump because it is fun, or you ride bareback because it is fun, or if you ride where the ground is rocky and any fall can cripple or kill you because it is fun, then you are taking risks for the fun of it. If you allow you kid to do any of those things, you accept the risk of their dying...for the fun of riding!

    I almost always wear a helmet, but I dislike people who call others idiots for making a different decision about how much risk to accept.

    I know people who have ridden for 50+ years, often on green horses and in rough terrain, without helmets...and who did so without busting their heads. In fact, I know folks whose family has done so for generations without ever having a head injury.

    There are studies that support the idea that we are at greater risk while working with horses while on the ground than we are in many forms of riding. I've hit the ground more times trying to calm a scared horse while I was on foot than I have from my spooky mare bolting, spinning or spooking. Yet how many of us insist on wearing a helmet any time we pick up a lead rope? How many parents insist their kids wear helmets any time they are in a corral or pasture?

    "Statistics are just statistics and are of no comfort when itís your child that becomes 1 in a million.
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    Yep! So don't ride. Don't go hiking in the desert - I once heard a rattle, and finally found the source coiled up between my feet! Don't ride motorcycles. I spent my adult life flying in jet fighters, strapped to an ejection seat - don't do that! Heck, I watched an F-4 explode in a ball of flame taking off out of George AFB, CA once, and then strapped in and took off the other runway!

    Statistics are the only meaningful way to discuss risk. If the chance of injury is 1 in 1,000,000,000,000, it will still suck if your kid is that one...but no one can avoid that level of risk.
    I find this an odd post coming from you bsms because I don't think I've ever seen a photograph of you on a horse where you aren't wearing a helmet?
    I've had a head injury that would have been much less severe if I'd been wearing one so nothing would get me on a horse now without one
    Apart from my own family or anyone riding one of my horses I really don't get involved with people's choices as far as helmets are concerned because it's their head, their brain, their risk, their problem if it gets damaged
    However
    I would never in a million years give reasons or excuses to try to illustrate or persuade anyone that wearing a helmet is a pointless exercise because if I convince them of that and they do end up with a head injury that might have been greatly reduced by wearing a helmet then I have been partly responsible for it.
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        04-24-2014, 10:51 AM
      #19
    Yearling
    Quote:
    I find this an odd post coming from you bsms because I don't think I've ever seen a photograph of you on a horse where you aren't wearing a helmet?
    Its even odder because I don't think I have seen a post by him that didn't include a photograph of him and Mia. Lol - im just teasing. ;)

    Actually while I disagree with bsms on many other threads I thought the fact that he is a helmet-wearer but is a non-judgmental one was pretty right on! Its not a matter of what a person chooses to do but respecting others, no need to call be idiots who wont drink just because they make a different choice.
         
        04-24-2014, 11:11 AM
      #20
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Roux    
    Its even odder because I don't think I have seen a post by him that didn't include a photograph of him and Mia. Lol - im just teasing. ;)

    Actually while I disagree with bsms on many other threads I thought the fact that he is a helmet-wearer but is a non-judgmental one was pretty right on! Its not a matter of what a person chooses to do but respecting others, no need to call be idiots who wont drink just because they make a different choice.
    I always wear a helmet and I am non-judgmental too - however you will not see me posting anything that sounds as if I'm trying to justify other peoples decisions to not wear one by pointing out all the reasons why they shouldn't be bothered to protect their heads
    As far as I'm concerned if someone doesn't wear a helmet its for no other reason than they don't want too and I respect their choice
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