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post #21 of 75 Old 02-04-2010, 12:26 PM
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I find that "size chart" a bunch of hooey. In my experience, anything that's trying to give you a mathmatical equation to determine things like height and weight are just bogus because they do not take into consideration the outside factors.

For example, the "20% of body weight" rule. How on earth does the horses weight determine how much it can carry? For both this charts, you would end up with a very small person riding an Arabian for example (don't weigh much, and impossibly tiny cannon bones). And yet Arabians have been bred and equipped to carry MUCH larger people based on their bone structure.

Likewise, look at a Draft. Based on both charts, they weigh a lot and have enormous cannon bones so they can carry the heaviest people right? WRONG. Drafts are actually notorious for having a much weaker bone structure due to the immense weight they already carry on their frames and being bred to pull, not ride. A very large man or woman in the 300+ pound range is actually better suited to riding a thick sturdy QH or Mustang type animal then using a Draft!

What about ponies? Based on those charts, they should only be carrying very small children based on weight and cannon bones, and yet they are often easily able to carry riders just as big as QH's and Arabs can manage.

It all comes down to a better knowledge of specific breed bone structure then trying to use silly equations to determine things. According to a standard BMI chart, I am considered obese. I'm packing a few extra pounds, but you can just bite me BMI, because obese is a lark. It takes zero into consideration about my bone structure and my health. I am overweight for sure, but obese is ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

That being said I am 5'6" and I weight 185lbs. I ride a 14.3hh Arabian who has never had a single issue carrying me in the almost 11 years I've been riding her. I have ridden ponies as small as 13hh who never had an issue. So in the end, unless you're massively obese, the vast majority of horses and ponies will NOT develop problems from carrying you.
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post #22 of 75 Old 02-04-2010, 03:07 PM
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I find that "size chart" a bunch of hooey. In my experience, anything that's trying to give you a mathmatical equation to determine things like height and weight are just bogus because they do not take into consideration the outside factors.

For example, the "20% of body weight" rule. How on earth does the horses weight determine how much it can carry? For both this charts, you would end up with a very small person riding an Arabian for example (don't weigh much, and impossibly tiny cannon bones). And yet Arabians have been bred and equipped to carry MUCH larger people based on their bone structure.

Likewise, look at a Draft. Based on both charts, they weigh a lot and have enormous cannon bones so they can carry the heaviest people right? WRONG. Drafts are actually notorious for having a much weaker bone structure due to the immense weight they already carry on their frames and being bred to pull, not ride. A very large man or woman in the 300+ pound range is actually better suited to riding a thick sturdy QH or Mustang type animal then using a Draft!

What about ponies? Based on those charts, they should only be carrying very small children based on weight and cannon bones, and yet they are often easily able to carry riders just as big as QH's and Arabs can manage.

It all comes down to a better knowledge of specific breed bone structure then trying to use silly equations to determine things. According to a standard BMI chart, I am considered obese. I'm packing a few extra pounds, but you can just bite me BMI, because obese is a lark. It takes zero into consideration about my bone structure and my health. I am overweight for sure, but obese is ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

That being said I am 5'6" and I weight 185lbs. I ride a 14.3hh Arabian who has never had a single issue carrying me in the almost 11 years I've been riding her. I have ridden ponies as small as 13hh who never had an issue. So in the end, unless you're massively obese, the vast majority of horses and ponies will NOT develop problems from carrying you.

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post #23 of 75 Old 02-04-2010, 03:25 PM
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I'm 5'7'' (~120 lbs) and Rocky is only 14.3. I'm a little tall for him, but he's a stocky built arabian so we actually look really good together. We jump, do flatwork, and trail ride and he carries me fine. I wouldn't worry about it. Horses can carry plenty of weight just fine
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post #24 of 75 Old 02-04-2010, 03:41 PM
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lMacabreMikolaj-- great post!

I am not the smallest girl I'm 5'11" and 210 (I was smaller but life got in the way lol) and my guy is 16.1 and he has no problem carrying me at all. Just like above there are so many more factors envolved with determining how much a horse can carry.

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I'm 5'9" and 65kg and my horse is 18.2hh and nearly 700kg so he carries me with ease LOL.
I ride horses for a living and get on 13hh ponies who carry me just as easily as my horse does. The little ones are tough :P
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post #26 of 75 Old 02-04-2010, 09:35 PM
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You're fine for your horse. Personally I think people spend way to much time obsessing about their horse's height. It's sort of a pet peeve for me to hear someone say I'm 5'6" and need a horse atleast 16 hands, NO you prefer a horse that height.

Although height does matter some when considering what size horse you need, alot more of it is going to depend on the horse's build in my opinion.

That said I don't even know my mare's height. I'm 5'9", and think she's perfect for me! I do think I need something bigger then 14 hands, I generally think of 15 as my minimal (and don't think I'd want anything over 16). I used our gelding's height as a rule of thumb when I went to look at her (I was guessing him at 15.1 or so, he was 15 hands when I got him, a few months before he turned 2). She was advertised as 16 hands, although based on the guy in the pic w/ her I was thinking probably not (although turns out he was pretty tall). She seemed to be about the same size as Magic.

Now people are always saying how tall Magic is (alot are not horse people so I just assume they don't have anything to compare it to). I got a new farrier who also said something about his size and was guessing him to be 16 hands. So he sticked him 15.3 and a half (good eye I guess). I was going to have him measure Gypsy to, but forgot, she looks exactly the same height as Magic, but I have never measured her. On one hand it'd be nice to know how tall she is when someone asks, but really we are good together, so who really cares?

I do understand not wanting to look silly on a horse that's way to small for them (either in height or build), but I don't think any normally build 5'4" or under person is going to look silly on a normally build horse that's atleast 14 hands.

Anyway that's my thoughts.
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I find that "size chart" a bunch of hooey. In my experience, anything that's trying to give you a mathmatical equation to determine things like height and weight are just bogus because they do not take into consideration the outside factors.

For example, the "20% of body weight" rule. How on earth does the horses weight determine how much it can carry? For both this charts, you would end up with a very small person riding an Arabian for example (don't weigh much, and impossibly tiny cannon bones). And yet Arabians have been bred and equipped to carry MUCH larger people based on their bone structure.

Likewise, look at a Draft. Based on both charts, they weigh a lot and have enormous cannon bones so they can carry the heaviest people right? WRONG. Drafts are actually notorious for having a much weaker bone structure due to the immense weight they already carry on their frames and being bred to pull, not ride. A very large man or woman in the 300+ pound range is actually better suited to riding a thick sturdy QH or Mustang type animal then using a Draft!

What about ponies? Based on those charts, they should only be carrying very small children based on weight and cannon bones, and yet they are often easily able to carry riders just as big as QH's and Arabs can manage.

It all comes down to a better knowledge of specific breed bone structure then trying to use silly equations to determine things. According to a standard BMI chart, I am considered obese. I'm packing a few extra pounds, but you can just bite me BMI, because obese is a lark. It takes zero into consideration about my bone structure and my health. I am overweight for sure, but obese is ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

That being said I am 5'6" and I weight 185lbs. I ride a 14.3hh Arabian who has never had a single issue carrying me in the almost 11 years I've been riding her. I have ridden ponies as small as 13hh who never had an issue. So in the end, unless you're massively obese, the vast majority of horses and ponies will NOT develop problems from carrying you.
I agree with you. I just like that chart to use as a "base" to give you some help with weight/size ratio. It's not by any means totally acurate, but it helps.

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post #28 of 75 Old 02-04-2010, 11:48 PM
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Now people are always saying how tall Magic is (alot are not horse people so I just assume they don't have anything to compare it to)
I've noticed something of the sort myself. When I bought my place a decade or so ago, the neighbors' horses were these great big creatures who'd lean over the fence hoping for a bite of apple or a nose scratch. (And who kept my compost pile amply supplied with horse manure.) The two old guys are still around, and it's just amazing how they seem to have shrunk over the years, from next-door-to-elephants to sort of big dogs

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I do understand not wanting to look silly on a horse that's way to small for them...
It's not (for me, anyway) about looking silly, it's about giving the poor critter too much weight to carry. At a guess Ellie carrying me would be about the same as me carrying a 40 lb pack, ok for a hike, but I wouldn't want to run far with it.
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Actually the weight thing I would worry about, and be more likely to ask about, in that case instead of just posted my height/weight and the horses height, I'd post pics, along w/ an explination of why I'm worried about it. Some 14 hand horses can do very well carrying 200+, and some 16 hand horses couldn't carry 150.

Most the time I see posts like this, it's something along the lines of I'm 5'4" and 110lbs, am I to big for my 14.3 hand horse? And that's all the info (they may say, he looks so small, or I feel silly riding him). My question is to big in what way? Height? Definitely not. Weight? Well you shouldn't be (for a normal healthy 14.3 hand horse), but what makes you ask? Does the horse seem to have difficulty holding your weight? Etc.

I think it's definitely important to be sure you aren't to heavy for your horse, seems like common since, but I've watched the youtube videos of adults and teens riding minis, so I know it's not always.
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Excellent posts haviris.

I think the biggest issue comes in with the showring. I'm unsure how Western classes work, but in hunter classes, it's virtually mandatory that you "suit" your horse. Somewhere along the way, this equaled telling a 5'0" kid that she's to big for her 14hh pony. :roll: I agree with you on this obsession with height it drives me nuts. I rather enjoy being 5'6" - I'm as average as they come, and although I look better on stockier animals because I'm heavy, I certainly do not think I look ridiculous riding a 14hh animal. I couldn't do it in a hunter ring, but the only animal's I've looked "silly" on are 13.3hh and under. Shay-la is 5'9" and she oftens rides Justus (14.1hh) for a tuneup. However, this is the reason she gifted Justus - she CAN ride the pony, but her legs are so long, it's impossible for her to ride correctly unless she jacks her stirrups up to jumping length.

That being said, Shay-la looks absolutely perfect on her 15.3hh Cydesdale/TB mare. I know she hopes she'll get a bit bigger because she's all leg, but she's perfectly happy with that.

Unless you're a 6'0"+ freak of nature, no person looks silly on a horse 15hh and taller. 15hh is sort of that median height that virtually every person can ride and not look ridiculous - regardless of what self conscious mumbo jumbo you may have fed yourself.

This is Shay-la on Cinder - Shay-la is 5'9" and Cinder is 15hh! They may not win any hunter classes, but she looks FAR from ridiclous on her.



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