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    05-28-2011, 03:09 PM
Green Broke
Under the chin.
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    05-28-2011, 11:48 PM
Some horses will not preform with out the chain depending on how and who trained them. Also make sure that you do not have too much chain left in your hand it looks bad. Over the nose you will also lose some of the cues used to move your horses feet. It is also makes the stop look more forced. They bow their heads against it. Well in my op any way.
    05-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Sorry guys, I haven't been on in a few days...

Originally Posted by Rachel1786    
This is Random, but is that colver leaf in Bangor Pa? I keep hearing people talk about shows at clover leaf but i've never been there. So I was just wondering if he was the same place or clover leaf in another state
Nope, this show was at the fairgrounds in Warren County (Northwestern) PA.

Originally Posted by usandpets    
Just curious, is using a chain required? The horse on the left doesn't look like it has the chain under or over the nose. If it is required, why?
PA 4-H requires either a halter and chain or a bridle with English turnout. If you go in without one you probably won't be dismissed from the arena or anything, but you'll be at the bottom of the placings at a 4-H show with a judge that knows the 4-H rules and requirements. I can't really speak for different organizations, but the open and schooling shows in my area typically follow 4-H-like guidelines.

I was going to comment on the other horse in that bottom picture, but the edit time ran out at the time. I believe that she has threaded the chain through the center ring on the bottom and doubled it back on itself. The PA 4-H rulebook stipulates that the chain must be over the nose or under the jaw. The pic is from a 4-H show, and while I don't remember the placings I would expect that that entry would have lost points for that chain configuration.

That being said, more points would have been lost if she had a simple snap lead without a chain. If I had to guess, I would say that she is simply fulfilling the PA 4-H club requirement of obtaining a G&S score for the year and isn't terribly concerned about being super-correct. I've seen regular barrel racers fulfill that G&S requirement in grungy nylon halters and cowboy hats that make Mushmouse look dapper. 4-H doesn't give a minimum score required to complete the year, just to obtain a score.

The chain simply allows for a more subtle cue. There are pros and cons to over vs. under. I find that, under, if the horse needs more than a touch on the lead the head will pop up due to the pressure under it. However, there is less potential for rubbing than an over-nose configuration. A lot of horses, JIME, resent the pressure from running the chain over the nose and don't show quite as pleasantly. Personally, I like my horses to be able to complete the pattern without a lead: if they can do that, it doesn't much matter what they wear as the equipment is more for show and refinement than control.

Sorry for the novel...
    05-29-2011, 06:15 PM
Green Broke
Under the chin looks much cleaner and professional IMO
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    01-21-2012, 11:44 PM
Under the chin...and if they acted bad (where its bothering them) Over the nose.
    03-13-2012, 01:56 AM
I have always used the chain over my horses noses. To me it seems like some horses hate the chain under their nose (like my past 2) and it will cause them to carry heir head highr than it should be for showmanship and also toss their head she you're trying to complete a pattern. But that also depends on the horse. Personally do whatever your horse prefers. I have never been told that I got placed below someone because I had my chain over my horses nose.
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    03-13-2012, 07:52 AM
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Kate, you mentioned your horses not liking chain under chin. That you described is a resistance to pressure, which can be fixed. It's not a matter of no liking the chain there is a matter of not knowing how to respond to that pressure an fighting it.

Under the chin is the correct way to have your chain
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    03-13-2012, 12:43 PM
Chains aren't required. It's just pretty nuch impossible to find a leather show lead w/o one. A friends horse (flawless showmanship horse of course), would only work if there was no chain anywhere near her face. So we had to have a lead made to match the show halter that just had a snap.
    03-13-2012, 01:15 PM
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Contact is not desirable in showmanship your horse should do the pattern with you without having to make any sort of contact. Im pretty sure at most breed shows a chain is a requirement.
    03-13-2012, 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by .Delete.    
Contact is not desirable in showmanship your horse should do the pattern with you without having to make any sort of contact. Im pretty sure at most breed shows a chain is a requirement.
Just checked cause you made me curious if I'd forgotten something APHA & IBHA (which usually copies the 2) states for appropriate equipment: "Halter with appropriate lead. A chain may be used under the chin or hanging from the halter". Appaloosa says the chain may be used over the nose, but doesn't state that it's required

So basically, chains are optional. But check with the registry's rule book as to allowed placement.
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