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post #11 of 31 Old 05-18-2011, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by countrygirl91 View Post
Sorry to say that I'm actually witty on my warm ups(which is apperantly a habit some others should learn)
I am whitty in my warm ups, I get the best warm up for my horse and sod what the rest of them are doing.

No horse has perfect manners..hate to tell you this. Even your top dressage horses have bad traits.
I know no horse is perfect but some are pretty **** close, infact over here in show hack classes manners and schooling is everything. At windsor this year they had them doing shows 4 at a time and the judge rode the horse, so you have to have drilled manners into thier heads.

Plus if you make the effort to take your welll trained horse around a badly trained one that earns you more credit in the judges eyes.
On what planet, the judge doesnt care that you are near a badly trained horse, infact they are more likely to be keeping an eye on the badly mannered one so that it hoefully doesnt kill someone.
Oh and if you get near one then you'd best hope that it doesnt unsettle your horse

I've been on the recieving end of a kick too, but seen as I respect other horses space (no matter how crowded) I was able to avoid serious injury to myself or my horse.
Are you saying that the injury to my horse was my fault? how the hell are you supposed to avoid a kicker who has no ribbon, comes racing up behind you (so even if he had a ribbon you couldnt see it), tries to overtake on the inside, gets too close and lashes out at my horse. I was next to the fence with nowhere to go, and actualy going by school rules I had right of way as I was doing some latteral work at the time.

Plain and simple if you have a kicker,avoid others and but a ribbon on. Work on it at home. .
I would put work on it at home well before even attempting to take the horse out. my youngster doesnt kick inhand but I will be testing him ridden before he ever goes to a show. i will be taking him to group riding lessons where everyone is well aware he is young and an unknown quantity and I will be letting them get too close, letting people ride up his bum untill I know how he would react in a strange place with strange horses, without me in sight.
If he kicks he wont be going anywhere untill we have sorted it, however I sincerely doubt he will kick since his reaction to scarey things tends to be "run away fast"

RIDE your horse FORWARDS and keep him STRAIGHT

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post #12 of 31 Old 05-18-2011, 10:54 PM
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My dear, I give up on this, if you care to continue, feel free to email me for all you are technically doing is spamming, and I'd rather not have 3.4 millions lashes back and forth.
-but you never mentioned that the kicker had no ribbon so sue me for not knowing.

But dear lass who wrote this-kicker=work on it at home and have a ribbons
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post #13 of 31 Old 05-18-2011, 11:17 PM
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countrygirl - spamming, certianly not. i think you need to go and find a deffinition of spamming.

Oh and no I wont be emailing you as I dont give my email out to complete strangers.

Finaly, even if the horse that kicked mine had a ribbon on it, how the hell was I suposed to see it? Xray vision perhaps so I could see right through the back of my head, the body of that horse and see a tiny bit of red fluff in its tail? All this whilst concentrating on 15 other horses and working on my horse and getting his preformance up to the level required to win the class that we had paid rediculasly expensive entry fees for.

RIDE your horse FORWARDS and keep him STRAIGHT

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post #14 of 31 Old 05-18-2011, 11:24 PM
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I'm sorry, by emailing I mean personal messaging, via this site.Sorry I misworded that. But in conclusion you should probably mention things like-didn't have red,etc before you mention them. Good riders tend to be very observant while watching their competetors..amazing what you can learn bout them in the warm up ring.But as I said I'm going to be mature, stop this fritherless fritterfratting, drop the subject. Good day :) :) :)
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post #15 of 31 Old 06-08-2011, 08:49 PM
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I highly recommend the red ribbon for ANY time a kicker is around other horses who don't know it kicks. You're supposed to keep your distance no matter what, but some people seem to get a little careless and forget.

For everyone's safety, please just tie a ribbon into its tail. Everytime a person goes near your horse, they're going to have an instant reminder with the ribbon. Almost like the ribbon is screaming, "AH! DON'T GET NEAR ME! I'M A KICKER! GRRR!"
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post #16 of 31 Old 06-10-2011, 07:05 PM
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I show a kicker, she's never made contact with another person/horse since I've been to the barn (be it me or someone else riding her), and I don't plan on not showing her because of this.
I, truthfully, wouldn't take a horse off the show circuit (be it schooling, states, nationals, etc) just because it kicks. Showing a horse is both the rider of the horse and other riders' responsibility. I'm not saying that it's fine to just let your horse run around kicking at everyone and trying to say that it's their fault, but both you and others, as riders, need to be aware of their surroundings and what they're riding. I do compare it to driving, because even if you're the best driver there is, there's someone out there that isn't and they may come into contact with you and your vehicle, literally.
Now, as for the actual OP. I would tie a ribbon (not a small piece of yarn, either a thick shoe-string or an actual ribbon), or anything red that is blatantly noticeable in his/her tail, and also make sure that if you feel anyone is too close to tell them that your horse is a kicker. I ride by fair warning, I'll tell you I have a kicker 3 times (and make it obvious and not say it nicely after the first time), and then it's your own stupidity if you get kicked. And if you're riding up my butt, even if my horse decides to kick or not, I will stop and about take your head off until you -clearly- understand to stay off my butt. I'm not the nicest or most patient rider at our shows, but I will be truthful and give fair warning for anything, including kicking.
Yeah, it's best to work with the horse at home, but in my case, it's only at shows and on trails. I can't really work with her on kicking at shows if I don't take her to any. It also helps that aside from the warm-up pen and fun classes, I run games such as barrels, poles, etc that I don't have other horses in the arena with me when I do my classes. But just because she has a tendency to kick, I'm not going to keep her from the show environment and hinder her training.
It's a joint-responsibility to ride a horse, not just the sole-responsibility of the riders with horses that have less than impeccable manners.
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post #17 of 31 Old 06-11-2011, 10:48 AM
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I would definently put a ribbon in your horses tail... There was this one boy who got to close to the hind end of a kicker and the mule (it wasn't a horse, it was a mule, but anyway) litterally kicked him square in the face... He had to get plastic surgery to restore his cheek bones and all sorts of other surgery... He is lucky to be a alive!

so I would put a ribbon in you horses tail just to make sure that the others you're showing with know the problem exists... And If I were you, I would talk to someone about helping you get the kicking fixed all together... as someone said already, kicking is a natural instinct, but bad things can happen...
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post #18 of 31 Old 06-14-2011, 12:37 AM
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Definitely use a ribbon. My son was kicked by a pony at a 4-H show when he was little. He was in a sms class and the other pony was being turned into line and kicked my son.
Had we known the pony was a kicker, us parents would have designated that boy a spot away from the other horses to go after his pattern so that his pony wasn't in kicking range.
You definitely ought to work on the issue, but if you feel you must show before you have it sorted, please be considerate enough to give fair warning to the other competitors.
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post #19 of 31 Old 06-22-2011, 01:00 PM
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And on the other side of the scale, I had a horse that was MADE a kicker by other horses on his ass (and he was REALLY bad after that, and it wasn't my fault - so should I sue the people who caused it for causing the problem? I think not). It's honestly as simple as if you stay out of kicking range, you won't GET kicked. Yes, it's also the responsibility of the person with the kicker, but it's also the responsibility of everyone else to stay off everyone else so that you don't create a problem. You don't know if that mare's in heat and the owner hasn't shown her with her in heat. You don't know the other horses, so it's best to assume that every horse is a kicker.

Here, we have a maximum number of riders allowed in a warm up ring. I went to one comp that only 5 riders were allowed to warm up at once (it was showjumping, that's what I compete, so 5 riders is more than enough to have an effective warm up unless you have an older, arthritic horse - plus there was a lot of room to warm up on the flat outside of the warmup arena). Another didn't have an upper limit because their warm up ring was HUGE.

And guess what? With everyone making sure they knew where everyone else was, there were no incidents. The people on the difficult, poorly trained, or scared horses (there was an OTTB at his first comp at one of them and he was going mental) were careful to stay away from the kids on ponies, or the horses that looked a little bit skittish, and the rest of us stayed away from them.

It's called RESPECT, and so many people seem to lack it these days.
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post #20 of 31 Old 06-22-2011, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by countrygirl91 View Post
Ok now think of horses as driving a car? Would you be pleased if someone is trying to ride your bumper? I think not. Same goes as with horses. Seen as many people are not aware of how to give strange horses room thats where issues arise. I've seen it all to many times. Riders going up others rear ends and the horse that is having a horse come up his rear is the one disqualified. Explain to me that then? Me and my horses respect others spaces because I know I would hate it if someone came up on us like that. I've been in crowded areana's but still manage to give myself space..Also be amazing what communicating in the warm ring can do. Again not trying to come off as rude, but kicking ia a natural instinct when a horse feels uncomfortable about something, so rather than make it more uncomfortable kinda let them tell you so you can work them through it. Every one has their own opinions and are entitled to such, but kickers have the right to show as well.. avoid them plain and simple. And riders with kickers should take extra care to ensure they don't get in a sticky area where they can. Just remember even "perfect manner" horses can be set off ..they are after all still wild :)
Are you aware that horses are often times lined up head-to-tail in halter classes to let the judge see every horse from the side at once? What do you do when this happens; walk up to the judge and tell him you can't line up like the rest, or take a chance and let another horse get kicked?

Also, on the note of not teaching non-kicking manners because riders are supposed to keep horses away from other horses' backends. That is like saying that because drivers are supposed to stop at stop signs, you should never look both ways.

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