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    04-29-2012, 10:09 AM
This is direct from the AQHA judging manual on showmanship.

"The exhibitor should not look back while leading the
Horse away from the judge."
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    04-29-2012, 05:19 PM
I just checked the 2012 APHA rulebook, no specific mention of acknowledging the judge at the beginning or end of pattern, just to present your horse with poise... so in APHA shows I will continue to look back ... it will be more complicated at open shows... if they post they are following AQHA rules, then I will probably ask the judges preference...

    04-29-2012, 09:10 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by GoAppendix    
This is direct from the AQHA judging manual on showmanship.

"The exhibitor should not look back while leading the
Horse away from the judge."
While it may say this in an older copy of the judging manual, it is no where specified in the Official AQHA Rule Book.. It is not a minor, major, nor severe fault and it is not means for a DQ...So again, it seems as it's a judges preference..and really, if someone wanted to throw the book at the judge for faulting the competitor, they could..and then who looks stupid? The judge not following the rule book or the girl who looked back?

AQHA Handbook

These are direct quotes for the faults in a AQHA showmanship class.

" (3) Faults: Faults can be classified as minor,major or severe. The judge will determine the appropriate classification of a fault based upon the degree and/or frequency of the infraction.

(A) Minor faults

Break of gait at walk or jog/trot for 1 stride Sliding a pivot foot or lifting foot and replacing in same place

(B) Major faults

Not performing gait or not stopping within 5 feet of designated area Break of gait at walk or jog/trot for more than 1 stride Splitting the cone Picking up a pivot foot Picking up a foot after presentation Over/under turning 1/8 to 1/4 of designated turn

(C) Severe Faults (avoids disqualification but should be placed below other exhibitors that do not incur a severe fault) include:

Out of position during presentation exhibitor touching the horse or kicking or pointing their feet at the horse’s feet during set up standing directly in front of the horse Loss of lead shank or holding chain or two hands on shank. Severe disobedience including rearing or pawing; horse kicking at other horses,exhibitors or judge; or horse continuously circling the exhibitor

(D) Disqualifications (should not be placed) include:

Loss of control of horse that endangers exhibitor,other horses or exhibitors,or judge including the horse escaping from the exhibitor failure of exhibitor to wear correct number in a visible manner willful abuse excessive schooling or training,or use of artificial aids knocking over the cone or going off pattern Never performing specific gait Over turning more than 1/4 turn of designated turn In Novice Classes Only: Exhibitor's going off pattern,knocking over or on wrong side of cone,never performing specified gait,or overturning more than 1/4 turn than designated,shall not be disqualified, but must always place below exhibitors not incurring a disqualifying fault."
    04-29-2012, 09:36 PM
Green Broke
It's impossible to trot away from the judge and maintain a straight line while looking back. Looking back is not acceptable. You look at the judge before you walk off or trot off but you do not look back. Go to any Big quarter horse shows. You will rarely, if ever see anyone look back.
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    04-29-2012, 09:41 PM
Green Broke
But it isn't a fault or cause for a DQ..Merely personal preference..
    04-29-2012, 09:53 PM
I am quite aware of the faults listed in the rulebook. There are plenty of details about the class and unwritten rules. The rulebook doesn't state what hat crease to have or if gloves are done or not. But anyone that actually shows the class will be able to answer both those questions for you. Except this case, judges are in fact told exhibitors aren't to look back while leading a horse away.

This is a class about looking the part. If you looking back while trotting away it says "I don't know what I am doing." It also says "I don't know if I am in line with the judge." Do either of those things sound good? Yeah, no.
    04-29-2012, 10:00 PM
Green Broke
Excuses, excuses..Just because it's not your way of doing something does NOT mean it's wrong. If you don't like it, great, but don't try to say that it's wrong and you shouldn't do it..It's just your opinion, not something that applies to everyone.
    04-29-2012, 10:11 PM
Green Broke
Oh but it does mean your wrong when it makes your pattern sloppy. If you want to continue on the straightest line possible away from the judge. Don't look back.
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    04-29-2012, 10:18 PM
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I'm pretty confindent I can walk in a straight line while looking back..That said, this is probably the most ridiculous argument I've ever participated in my whole time on the forum. I'm going to stop now because it's at the point of arguing about each other's opinions, and we're not in elementary school anymore... If you want to post facts, like the rule book, awesome.. but don't try to shove your opinion down my throat.. I have plenty of my own.

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