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post #11 of 16 Old 03-05-2014, 01:01 PM
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Pattern 1 - I would stop in shoulder alignment with the cone.

Pattern 2 - I would stop hip alignment with the the cone.

Local show judges, take them or leave them. I've had a LSJ put someone above me in a class with a DQable offense (not cantering in a longeline class, it was plainly obvious). LSJ also do that stupid quartering stuff where they try to "trick you" which I find asinine.

Honestly I don't think I could think up a scenario where you line your horse's barrel up with the cone, and if there was it would be a super complicated pattern at the upper levels where maybe you had to pivot to an off-alignment judge.
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Local show judges, take them or leave them. I've had a LSJ put someone above me in a class with a DQable offense (not cantering in a longeline class, it was plainly obvious).
Indeed. At the show where I did that 2nd pattern, in the halter class earlier that morning, the guy who took 1st place with his horse was wearing spurs. To my knowledge, wearing spurs for halter or showmanship is a disqualification. He had a nice horse, no doubt, but he technically should have been DQ'ed. The judge let it slide.

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Indeed. At the show where I did that 2nd pattern, in the halter class earlier that morning, the guy who took 1st place with his horse was wearing spurs. To my knowledge, wearing spurs for halter or showmanship is a disqualification. He had a nice horse, no doubt, but he technically should have been DQ'ed. The judge let it slide.
I don't think there is a rule about wearing spurs in those classes, but it's kind of dumb because you aren't riding the horse....LOL.

Anyway, I tried to find some clinic vids on SMS on Youtube and found a couple. If you want to search "showmanship clinic"...and the Youtube user's name is Sillypony....they had posted a clinic. There were SOME things the judge said I questioned, but for the most part she was correct. And both patterns were similar to the one you explained. In the first pattern there was a transition at the second cone and the participant did is correctly....when her horse's front leg was pretty much at the cone.

She also explained what I said in an earlier post....in those L shaped patterns where the judge is off to the side and you are making either a 90 degree, or 270 and higher.....WATCH where the judge is, and not the cone.
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Thanks! I'll have to take a look at those.

As far as the spurs go, I tried to look in the AQHA rulebook and one thing it does say is:
SHW379. Disqualifications (should not be placed) include:
  • Loss of control of horse that endangers exhibitor, other horses or exhibitors, or judge including the horse escaping from the exhibitor
  • Failure of exhibitor to wear correct number in a visible manner
  • Willful abuse
  • Excessive schooling or training, or use of artificial aids
  • Knocking over the cone or going off pattern
  • Never performing specific gait
  • Over turning more than 1/2 turn of designated turn


If I remember correctly, spurs fall under the "artificial aids" category.

I know for sure in the 4H rule books that it does specifically say that spurs are prohibited for halter and showmanship classes.

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Well, the way that it phrased is says "use of artificial aids". If you're just wearing spurs in a showmanship class, you're not using them in the class. There is no way to make use of spurs in an in-hand class. With that said, it is up to the judge to interpret the rule book and make a call, so you could be DQed or not based on the judge's interpretation.

My sister was disqualified from a driving class for wearing a pair of English spurs in the class. She had been in a riding class and forgot to take them off before hitching up for her pleasure driving class. Though there were no specifics in the rule book about having spurs on your boots, the judge deemed them a safety hazard and dismissed her from the class. A showmanship judge could easily do the same, no matter what is spelled out in the rule book.
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Thanks! I'll have to take a look at those.

As far as the spurs go, I tried to look in the AQHA rulebook and one thing it does say is:
SHW379. Disqualifications (should not be placed) include:
  • Loss of control of horse that endangers exhibitor, other horses or exhibitors, or judge including the horse escaping from the exhibitor
  • Failure of exhibitor to wear correct number in a visible manner
  • Willful abuse
  • Excessive schooling or training, or use of artificial aids
  • Knocking over the cone or going off pattern
  • Never performing specific gait
  • Over turning more than 1/2 turn of designated turn

If I remember correctly, spurs fall under the "artificial aids" category.

I know for sure in the 4H rule books that it does specifically say that spurs are prohibited for halter and showmanship classes.
Artificial aids in this case would probably pertain to a crop or whip. Crops and whips are used in SMS classes for other breeds but not QH's.
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