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    08-07-2013, 09:15 PM
  #31
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The Horse Protection Act (HPA) is a Federal law that prohibits horses subjected to a practice called soring from participating in shows, sales, exhibitions, or auctions. The HPA also prohibits drivers from transporting sored horses to or from any of these events. APHIS works actively with the horse industry to protect against such abuse and ensure that only sound and healthy horses participate in shows. Our ultimate goal is to end this inhumane practice completely.

Soring is a cruel and abusive practice used to accentuate a horse’s gait. It may be accomplished by irritating or blistering a horse’s forelegs through the application of chemicals such as mustard oil or the use of mechanical devices.

Walking horses are known for possessing a naturally high gait , but in order to be successful in competition their natural gait is often exaggerated. The exaggerated gait can be achieved with proper training and considerable time however, some horse exhibitors, owners, and trainers have chosen to use improper and inhumane training methods to shorten the time it would take to produce a higher gait without abusive practices.

Soring is very illegal and the horse protection act is working .
     
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    08-07-2013, 09:23 PM
  #32
Trained
Oh-my mistake. Toto and the Federal Law says it isn't happening, so I must be mistaken.

I was born, just not yesterday. Sorry, don't believe it for a minute.
     
    08-07-2013, 09:26 PM
  #33
Weanling
I am just going to throw in one of my favorite quotes...

"Arrogant meddling, it is what got us in trouble in the first place..."
- George Carlin
     
    08-07-2013, 09:29 PM
  #34
Trained
Are you saying we shouldn't "meddle" in this situation? Not sure what else that quite would mean in this context. Please clarify.
     
    08-07-2013, 09:30 PM
  #35
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Oh-my mistake. Toto and the Federal Law says it isn't happening, so I must be mistaken.

I was born, just not yesterday. Sorry, don't believe it for a minute.

I didnt say soring aint happening- I said no sored horses have been in the show ring since 08 and that's a fact! They might show up with them but theyll be leaving in handcuffs!

No need for sarcasm just prove me wrong if you can- ill pay for your celebration ticket and well go around inspecting ourselves drinking budweiser if you really want.

Ill let you sock me if im wrong, lol.
     
    08-07-2013, 09:35 PM
  #36
Trained
Toto-how do you then explain the findings from 2008 to last year! That some 70% of the horses had been soured? Did you not read the article? Or are you saying it is a lie? In which case, I would expect there would be a law suit, which there has been none....

And no, I have no desire to go, thanks. You and I will not be drinking buds anytime soon for sure. Like in this life time.
     
    08-07-2013, 09:42 PM
  #37
Weanling
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Are you saying we shouldn't "meddle" in this situation? Not sure what else that quite would mean in this context. Please clarify.
Quite the contrary, I am saying humans are stupid for doing things like using chemicals and "mechanical" devices to try to make a horse walk in an unnatural way because they think it looks cool.

To me it is about as cool as someone who wears their pants down around their butt.
     
    08-07-2013, 09:51 PM
  #38
Trained
I haven't to been to any Big Lick shows, I don't know anything about their testing methods or hung out any Walker training barns, I know squat about Big Lick except what I have read or seen on TV. BUT, I will say when I see those guys riding the Big Lick horses they remind me of child molesters, hovering over the horses, looking for little kids to prey upon.
franknbeans, AlexS and Muppetgirl like this.
     
    08-07-2013, 10:11 PM
  #39
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Originally Posted by toto    
I didnt read where those horses were shown after being tested and results shown said they was sored? You're right- the USDA is stepping in to stop the soring and sored horses from showing in the events its a good thing for it too.
The USDA steps in randomly, to test the "effectiveness" of the testing that is going on at the shows. The fact that they caught so many who had passed previous to their tests says it all.

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would you say the sored horses aint being shown then- If so don't that mean theres no soring in the show ring?
It means no such thing. It means that the few shows the USDA comes to catches the people who have slipped through at many other shows. I read that when word gets out that the USDA is at the show, there are a LOT of scratching going on. Why are these people not as scared of the SHOW testors? Because they, for whatever reason, manage to "not find the sored horses."

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Im not saying people wont try it- its illegal to drive drunk and people do it Budweiser don't condone driving drunk but they do earn their money when people buy their beer- they might be drunk driving or they might be responsible drivers and have a designated driver-- Budweiser aint supporting soring either-- some people might be there and sore horses but not everyone at the shows are doing it.
I am not saying that Budweiser supports soring. BUT, when they sponsor a show that has, historically, allowed these horses and has turned a blind eye to the practice, they will be "guilty by association" to many people. This is going to possibly affect their bottom line. I sent the corporate headquarters an e-mail saying that I would avoid buying their product in the future as a result of their sponsorship. I bet others are doing it, too. If they decide it is unwise to sponsor, they will decide to decline. If enough sponsors pull out, there will be a strong economic incentive for the Big Lick classes being either eliminated or more stringently monitored than they are now.

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The walkers with the big pads are going to show and the celebration events are all kinds- halter showing (not padded horses) flat shod (not big pads regular shoes) yearling glasses (not ridden or padded or shod) etcetra- there is classes for horses with no shoes too- its a celebration of the walking horse not the celebration of soring.
I doubt many people have an issue with any classes other than the Big Lick classes.

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I agree with abuse can be seen at any show- its up to the people hosting the shows to decide that those horses aint allowed to participate in the show and that's what goes on at the celebration- followed by jailing.
But, that is not what has been happening. The judges and testors have been allowing sored horses to "pass" and compete. That has been proven by the fact that the USDA will come in, after horses have been checked and will find flagrant violations or, people will pull their horses before they are seen and run for the hills.


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You know the trainer got jailed and convicted of horse abuse before getting a court date to decide he got probation- I don't see where the twhbea let him show again- far as I know he's banned from the association and showing horses in the twhbea shows-- I don't think he can even register a horse in the twhbea or have papers transferred in to his name.
Bottom line is he didn't serve the time he should have. The judge gave him PROBATION. I am only hoping that the TWHBEA holds up his ban and keeps him from even training horses. Heck, he can abuse them at home and have his minion take them to the show, right?


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I don't think soring is right at all- its abusive and horrible but I can say its not whats being shown in the twhbea shows today.

Yes, they are still showing today. The people testing are doing a poor job, maybe due to pressure being put on them. The fact that the USDA can come in to a big show and find that 76% of the horses have been sored, tells it ALL!!
     
    08-07-2013, 10:17 PM
  #40
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Toto-how do you then explain the findings from 2008 to last year! That some 70% of the horses had been soured? Did you not read the article? Or are you saying it is a lie? In which case, I would expect there would be a law suit, which there has been none....

And no, I have no desire to go, thanks. You and I will not be drinking buds anytime soon for sure. Like in this life time.
I did read the article- it don't say anything about them being shown- they talked about those horses being tested and being sored before they entered the ring- that's when they do the testing-- exactly what I had been saying and I stand by it.

If you been to a twhbea show youd know they test the horses before they get to the ring to start showing.

Is it something I said?
     

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