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        08-07-2013, 10:41 PM
      #41
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    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    The USDA steps in randomly, to test the "effectiveness" of the testing that is going on at the shows. The fact that they caught so many who had passed previous to their tests says it all.
    Why does the usda veterinarians step in randomly and not monitor the shows when there held to stop it completely? I don't blame the shows I blame the usda for enforcing the laws once in a while and not every time.



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    It means no such thing. It means that the few shows the USDA comes to catches the people who have slipped through at many other shows. I read that when word gets out that the USDA is at the show, there are a LOT of scratching going on. Why are these people not as scared of the SHOW testors? Because they, for whatever reason, manage to "not find the sored horses."
    i don't think there 'scared' just dumb, lol.



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    I am not saying that Budweiser supports soring. BUT, when they sponsor a show that has, historically, allowed these horses and has turned a blind eye to the practice, they will be "guilty by association" to many people. This is going to possibly affect their bottom line. I sent the corporate headquarters an e-mail saying that I would avoid buying their product in the future as a result of their sponsorship. I bet others are doing it, too. If they decide it is unwise to sponsor, they will decide to decline. If enough sponsors pull out, there will be a strong economic incentive for the Big Lick classes being either eliminated or more stringently monitored than they are now.
    they aint turning a blind eye- I think it would give even more a reason for the usda to monitor the show and make sure there is no soring going on- maybe a part of the revenue they make will go to pay for the usda to do a good checking of the horses?

    That's fine but the celebration alone brings in so much revenue I don't think they would pull out their sponsorship because other businesses did- they have a better chance to make money now.





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    I doubt many people have an issue with any classes other than the Big Lick classes.
    Why? They can be soring the light shod horses or even the barefoot ones to make them be more animated just like they do with padded horses- when it comes to showing there is always the wrong way to do training and that is usually an abusive way.



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    But, that is not what has been happening. The judges and testors have been allowing sored horses to "pass" and compete. That has been proven by the fact that the USDA will come in, after horses have been checked and will find flagrant violations or, people will pull their horses before they are seen and run for the hills.
    The usda veterinarians come in with termo cameras when the testors think a horse could be sored- the problem is they don't have the technology that the usda does for testing soring- they do chem tests and the thermo images show more in to depths.




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    Bottom line is he didn't serve the time he should have. The judge gave him PROBATION. I am only hoping that the TWHBEA holds up his ban and keeps him from even training horses. Heck, he can abuse them at home and have his minion take them to the show, right?
    i do agree with you here- he should have darn well served his time!

    I went to court a while back (no life jacket- nothing too serious, lol) but there was a couple people ahead of me that had abused some horses- judge ordered they never have animals (not just horses) again and if they were caught with any animal in their possession they went to jail- I am thinking this man aint allowed to even be around horses not to mention training them again- if he's on probation officers will definitely be surprise visiting him to make sure he don't violate probation.





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    Yes, they are still showing today. The people testing are doing a poor job, maybe due to pressure being put on them. The fact that the USDA can come in to a big show and find that 76% of the horses have been sored, tells it ALL!!


    I think its more a money issue-- I can clean my carpet with my vacuum but if I called say 'stanley steamer' they could go back and get my carpets cleaner than I could because they got better tools than me.

    Im not justifying soring at all- its wrong and I hate people do that to such sweet animals but theres some sick people out there that want to win wgc title and do little work as they can to get there- this is the results.
         
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        08-08-2013, 05:51 AM
      #42
    Trained
    Toto-I am done discussing it with you. It is clear to me that you are seeing what you want to. You and I will never agree on this for sure. Some folks from this area who support these shows have seen this for so many years that it becomes part of their culture in a way, so they really see nothing wrong with it. I will also say that if you really believe that any trainer who has been doing this with success and making $$ for clients by doing so for years will stop just because he has been banned-you are being fooled. I would bet he has others following his direction in the barn and at the shows. Until the culture changes and people stop going to these shows and contributing $$ to it by doing so, it will continue.
    I personally not only have no interest in watching such deformed looking gaits, but I also would not give one single penny toward going to such an event. EVER.
         
        08-08-2013, 09:09 AM
      #43
    Weanling
    Good news, all! Budweiser will NOT be served at the Celebration. The Senior Director of Brand Communications spoke with the distributor to be sure that there would ZERO ties between their product and the show. There will no signage of any kind and no Budweiser to drink. :)
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        08-08-2013, 10:35 AM
      #44
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    Roy Exum: Budweiser Is Not A Sponsor - 08/08/2013 - Chattanoogan.com

    It was never "Budweiser" to begin with. It was a local distributor that carries Bud as well as many other drinks.

    The picture of him shaking hands with some TWH muckity muck was taken in front of a truck with Bud Light on it.

    Everyone assumed.........
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        08-08-2013, 10:36 AM
      #45
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    Originally Posted by SmallTownGypsy    
    Good news, all! Budweiser will NOT be served at the Celebration. The Senior Director of Brand Communications spoke with the distributor to be sure that there would ZERO ties between their product and the show. There will no signage of any kind and no Budweiser to drink. :)

    Is that true? I hope so. I would hope all the sponsorship pulls from this show to send a clear message that the abuse needs to stop NOW! It makes me sad to think that the only thing that will force these people to stop is the stopping of the money coming in. I know it is ridiculous to think they would stop because the abuse is just wrong. Silly me to have such a dream but... one step at a time. Good for Budweiser for seeing the light.
         
        08-08-2013, 01:44 PM
      #46
    Trained
    It definitely is. I had written to them via FB, and here is the response I got:


    Budweiser: "Thank you for writing, K. We can assure you that our Budweiser Clydesdales are treated like royalty and receive the utmost respect and care from our team. It seems we’ve been misidentified by some media as the corporate sponsor for the Tennessee Walking Horse Celebration.

    In fact, we are not a corporate sponsor, and our Budweiser Clydesdales have no affiliation or appearances related to this event. Attached is a retraction of an original article.

    Roy Exum: Budweiser Is Not A Sponsor - 08/08/2013 - Chattanoogan.com
    Like Reply about an hour ago"
         
        08-08-2013, 01:51 PM
      #47
    Yearling
    I wish they would cut off the supply to the distributor and that Coke would as well. Maybe if there were no refreshments at the shows that would send a message. Ha ha

    If only we could get people to NOT attend. No butts in the seats also sends a message.
         
        08-08-2013, 04:21 PM
      #48
    Green Broke
    This is certainly an emotional issue for most all horse lovers.

    Lets try to deal in facts.

    1. There are horses, and not just TWH's who are sored.

    2. TWHBEA has a history of allowing those who have been cited for soring to serve on the board, committees, judge events, as well as compete in the events they sponsor.

    3. They've done little to ban those involved but they have banned a few associated with the practice.

    4. Most of us would like them to do more.

    5. There are people who show at the Celebration who don't abuse their horses, and there are certainly some who do.

    6. Budweiser isn't sponsoring the Celebration, a local distributor is.

    7. The Celebration has a huge economic impact on Shelbyville.

    Any others?

    I don't think its accurate to say everyone involved with the TWHBEA is promoting cruelty to animals but I don't think they can fix it without cleaning house.

    I'm not sure if I will attend the celebration this year but am considering it. I went last year, first time sense the 1970's....grew up in Middle Tennessee and attended many Walking Horse shows as a child..... and have always admired Walking horses.....now I own one, and have never nailed a shoe on her never wanted to put her in a show ring. There was a very nice Champagne horse in the class that didn't show in stacks.....needless to say it didn't place nor win.

    The wife and I went to a racking horse show last weekend in Chatsworth GA....that group promotes a different style of Walking Horse, but honestly, it seems the horse with the most front end action won most of the classes, and that's what lead us to this point.

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        08-08-2013, 05:02 PM
      #49
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Sorry about that-tried to edit it.

    Toto-I am done discussing it with you. It is clear to me that you are seeing what you want to. You and I will never agree on this for sure. Some folks from this area who support these shows have seen this for so many years that it becomes part of their culture in a way, so they really see nothing wrong with it. I will also say that if you really believe that any trainer who has been doing this with success and making $$ for clients by doing so for years will stop just because he has been banned-you are being fooled. I would bet he has others following his direction in the barn and at the shows. Until the culture changes and people stop going to these shows and contributing $$ to it by doing so, it will continue.
    I personally not only have no interest in watching such deformed looking gaits, but I also would not give one single penny toward going to such an event. EVER.
    Youre done discussing it with me because you do not have any factual information to back up your story.

    Budweiser wasnt even sponsoring the celebration- a local distributor was selling bud light, lol.

    Im reckoning Yall confused the budweiser people- they thought yall were saying their horses were sored pulling the budweiser wagon- or something of the sort from your letters reply-- I was a little confused too.

    This thread is looney! Sorry but it is- I can give you fact all day but am glad you're going to throw up the white flag here because im not going to let you bash the walking horse or the walking horse industry when you know nothing about any of them.
         
        08-08-2013, 06:18 PM
      #50
    Green Broke
    A Finch.. Toto said that they TRY HARD.. so as a forum moderator you should carefully read each post before you tell some one that they are wrong.
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