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        08-10-2013, 08:44 AM
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    It's my understanding that the distributor will still be selling some Anheuser-Busch products as well as Monster energy drinks and some obscure regional beer I've never heard of.

    So there is still an official Bud distributor selling at the celebration even if Bud itself says it has no control. They need to step up to bat and make them officially not a distributor of Bud products. All they have done is say they can't sell Bud at this show.
         
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        08-10-2013, 02:17 PM
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    Personally, to criticize a company that sells, food, beverages etc at any show is just beyond
    Reasonable. If that's the thinking, then they do not need to sell, at cuttings, ropings, jumping,saddle seat,driving, pulling, western pleasure, hack, hunter etc. there are unethical practices in ALL shows .
         
        08-10-2013, 02:54 PM
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    Originally Posted by stevenson    
    Personally, to criticize a company that sells, food, beverages etc at any show is just beyond
    Reasonable. If that's the thinking, then they do not need to sell, at cuttings, ropings, jumping,saddle seat,driving, pulling, western pleasure, hack, hunter etc. there are unethical practices in ALL shows .
    Can you post some evidence of the cruelty in these other disciplines instead of just pointing fingers to spread the attention around? I'm new to the accusations and haven't heard of any cruelty in them like posted here..Thanks.
         
        08-10-2013, 03:12 PM
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    Originally Posted by SueNH    
    It's my understanding that the distributor will still be selling some Anheuser-Busch products as well as Monster energy drinks and some obscure regional beer I've never heard of.

    So there is still an official Bud distributor selling at the celebration even if Bud itself says it has no control. They need to step up to bat and make them officially not a distributor of Bud products. All they have done is say they can't sell Bud at this show.
    I am not sure it is legally possible for Budweiser/Anhauser-Bush to dictate where a distributor sells their product. It might be possible if it were written into a sales contract at the time of purchase, but after the fact, not sure. Can you imagine if Coke tried to control every place it's product was sold? Think of picnics , little league, small time fundraisers, local horse shows and rodeos, on and on and on. We buy the product at Costco, and sell the individual cans for $1 each . Coke does not have a say in where we resell their product. Not realistically.

    Budweiser NOT officially sponsoring the event is enough. Pursueing the distributors is overkill.

    It is too bad that by not sponsoring the event, to make a statement on the inhumaneness of soring, that those who do not use these barbaric practices and the town itself also suffer the loss of those funds. The good get smacked with the bad. However, sometimes it takes suffering to make it worth their while to make the change REAL, not just toeing the line when the Gov is around, then doing the same old same old when they are not.
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        08-10-2013, 04:57 PM
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    Can you post some evidence of the cruelty in these other disciplines instead of just pointing fingers to spread the attention around? I'm new to the accusations and haven't heard of any cruelty in them like posted here..Thanks.
    You know the rules for an aqha reining show before they start the pattern. The judge makes the rider drop the horses bridle when ever they feel like it to make sure theres not a sharp object.

    in a reining show you're disqualified for any hint of blood on your horses mouth or where you're spurs touch-- im reckoning people been doing these things to their horses to win a show and prize money--what you reckon?


    http://equinelegalsolutions.blogspot...abuse.html?m=1

    If you go looking for evil in the show horse world youll find it no matter the breed or show!
         
        08-10-2013, 05:10 PM
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    ne disturbing form of abuse performed on the vast majority of horses showing in reining and stock horse breed shows such as AQHA and APHA is known as "doing" horses' tails. This barbaric procedure involves injecting the horses' tail heads with substances to deaden the nerves. Some unethical veterinarians will perform this procedure,but these injections, administered alarmingly close to the horse's spine,are much more commonly administered by people with absolutely no veterinary medical training using questionable substances such as grain alcohol purchased at a liquor store. The purpose of this procedure is to prevent the horse from using its tail reactively and to make the horse "pack" its tail, presenting an allegedly more pleasing picture in the show ring. While defenders swear "doing tails" is "harmless" when "done properly" because it "wears off," a quick scan of the warm-up pen at any major stock horse breed show evidences otherwise - scarred and crooked tails abound,and because horses can't avoid defecating and urinating on themselves, grooms rush to wipe unsightly feces and urine off of horses' back legs and tails before the horses go into the show pen. "Doing tails" became popular after Western Pleasure and reining horses wrung their tails in response to excessive spurring and were penalized in the show pen. Rather than fixing the problem,the trainers simply fixed the tails. Now, horses ears are being injected to prevent the horses from pinning their ears back...
    Sounds cruel enough to me..

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    Drugs are Easier Than Training

    What's easier,training a horse thoroughly so it will go around the show ring quietly without spooking,or giving it drugs? How about teaching a client how to manage every stride on a hunter course,or giving the horse drugs to make sure every stride is the same? Horse training and riding instruction are hard work,and take lots of time. At the same time,many clients are impatient - they don't want to wait while their trainer works through a problem,they just want it "fixed" so they can go show.
         
        08-11-2013, 04:59 AM
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    The answer to the scoring problem is very simple. If it is lack of funding that prevents every horse that could be subject to storing being tested then they charge more on the entry fees for the classes to cover the costs.

    Budweiser is an international company and I am sure would not condone any cruelty bit, as said, those in the advertising department that make the arrangements for sponsorship, probably do not know a horse from a cow.

    In the UK it was traditional to shoe heavy horses to make their feet look bigger. To do this they allowed the foot to grow long and shoe to that length so the foot was spread out. Not good for the feet at all. It stopped when the Shire Society told judges that these horses were not to be placed and for the farriers to not be placed for the best shod section.

    It stopped in less than two seasons.
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        08-11-2013, 07:27 AM
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    Foxhunter, in the case of these judges many of them have past soring violations. They have quite a network going.
         
        08-11-2013, 08:13 AM
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    If the society allows people who have convictions for storing to be judges or to have anyone on the committee that has, then they are lunatics.

    One thing I dislike about the US is the fact that people talk a lot about it and do nothing.

    It is easy to stop things like this if some people are willing to stick their necks out and make new rules. Catch a few of the main trainers who show, ban them for life for showing, heavily fine both them and the owners and see how many want to follow suit.
    No good saying " he is one of the best walker show barns in the country,' and letting him get away with it. If he had his livelyhood taken away then that would be that.
    It might be that they still run a barn and are there as an advisory person but if the ban extended to them not being allowed to attend a show, and horses from that barn were caught having been sored then the same thing happens, ban whoever is officially in charge, make the fines higher second time for all concerned. They would have to be pretty thick to keep trying it.
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        08-11-2013, 09:41 AM
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    I'm actually pretty hopeful that this year is going to be different.
         

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