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        08-13-2013, 04:22 PM
      #81
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    Originally Posted by hisangelonly    
    we need an angry mob. One with whips and chains. And beat these horrific people who abuse animals senseless. Maybe authorities will "look the other way" as they do with the abuse of these animals. There needs to be an examination done on every horse by a neutral veterinarian and law enforcement behind them. Just like they test race horses and other show horses for certain drugs.
    Violence is not the way to go. You are as bad as them if you resort to such tactics.

    What is needed is proof of spring, films taken in the barns of the purpertraitors so there is soIid evidence and that be presented to the governing body of both the breed society and the show organisers.

    You let them know that if no solid action is taken in banning those concerned then it will hit all the major papers and Internet along with the names of those who are too cowardly tp place a ban
         
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        08-13-2013, 05:18 PM
      #82
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    I think it takes the general populace saying , "we don't like the look of that bizarre, unreal gait. It's ugly and false and demonstrates real vanity and selfishness if , for show, a human puts animal in such pain, and for what? So that you see a gait that is so utterly unnatural? It's a bit like the old corsets that women wore , with bussles on their butts to give a very unnatural hourglass shape. It caused a lot of health issues for the women, all for show. The horses have no choice. But as long as this is valued by the audience and paid for by the horse buyer/shower, it will persist.
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        08-13-2013, 05:32 PM
      #83
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    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    ?????

    I am sure people in YOUR country do the same. That statement is just Wow! For your information there has been a lot of work done to stop this practice. It is bumping into an ingrained "good ole boy" network, though.

    You need to study a bit on this. There HAVE been rules put in place because of the efforts made. However, the good ole boys are often ignoring them.

    Sigh

    Again, read up on the efforts being made. I will say no more......
    There might well have been something's done and new rules put in position but unless they are enforced it is all just hot air.

    Old Boy networks are not so hard to break. Committees are elected members and come up for re- election. If it is known that Mr Brown is all for the Old Boy network then he doesn't get the votes to be re- elected.

    Dead easy except for getting the members who are playing it straight to either stand for election or even bother to vote.

    I gave an example of the Shires and the way they were shod. That was stopped very quickly. Another, non horse example was with Boxer dogs and the way they were being bred with their nostrils nearly as far back on their faces as their eyes.
    The Boxer Breed Soc. Brought out rules about this, it took a while because of genetics and breeding it out, but the Boxer as a breed in the UK is a lot sounder already.

    It can be done but takes effort and motivation. It is the same here in that people will always expect someone else to do something about it and then carry on when nothing happens.
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        08-13-2013, 05:59 PM
      #84
    Yearling
    This 'discussion' kind of reminds me of all those slaughter threads ...
    Budweiser has made it clear that they are not and never were sponsoring, which is what, I might add, this thread was really about. Now can we stop going at each other's throats?
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        08-13-2013, 06:01 PM
      #85
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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    There might well have been something's done and new rules put in position but unless they are enforced it is all just hot air.

    Old Boy networks are not so hard to break. Committees are elected members and come up for re- election. If it is known that Mr Brown is all for the Old Boy network then he doesn't get the votes to be re- elected.

    Dead easy except for getting the members who are playing it straight to either stand for election or even bother to vote.

    I gave an example of the Shires and the way they were shod. That was stopped very quickly. Another, non horse example was with Boxer dogs and the way they were being bred with their nostrils nearly as far back on their faces as their eyes.
    The Boxer Breed Soc. Brought out rules about this, it took a while because of genetics and breeding it out, but the Boxer as a breed in the UK is a lot sounder already.

    It can be done but takes effort and motivation. It is the same here in that people will always expect someone else to do something about it and then carry on when nothing happens.
    I think you better take a closer look at your own country. I know personally of a female physician in the UK who has fought the "good old boy" network for years. The old male physicians in the UK are pretty set in their ways. She has "only" been there practicing for 30+ years, and has numerous awards, was MD to your Olympians, yet she still fights it almost daily. It becomes entrenched in the culture. It is getting better, since many are retiring or dying.
         
        08-13-2013, 10:39 PM
      #86
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    I will not bash another country with blanket statements. It is not my style. But there is NO country immune from finding it hard to change old habits. Especially when those old habits bring in lots of money. ALL countries can find examples of their own.
         
        08-14-2013, 11:47 AM
      #87
    Started
    The big shoes are called Scotch bottoms here and they are still used. I'd never do it but they are still out there.
         
        08-14-2013, 02:50 PM
      #88
    Banned
    Im reckoning foxhunters point was that people can say all the words they want- if no action is taken to followup the words spoken nothing will be done about it ever.

    There is a horse protection act but if people are ignoring the laws they will be broke.

    Saying 'the good ol boys' are the ones doing it is wrong though- there is many people from all over that are soring not just local people- these are just the ones yall hear about.. when it comes to showing and money there is always going to be greed and people wanting to take easy street to make up for lack of training- not just in the walking horse industry.

    If something needs to be done don't sit around saying 'something needs done' get out and do it its not about someones gender race or country- its about the way they go about doing things.
         
        08-19-2013, 07:50 AM
      #89
    Started
    Let's get the Wheelon (TWH soring) case before the Grand Jury
         

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