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        06-17-2013, 09:55 PM
      #11
    Trained
    I actually have a really difficult time watching a spoiled kid get off and yank a horse around for something the kid did.

    Toto-you and I will not agree. I have no issue with someone spanking my horse if he needs it. None. Mostly because noone rides my horse who wouldn't treat him as I do, and he sometimes needs spanking. I would be more upset if they let him slack off or give them crap. And, spanking a neck or shoulder for a spin does not need to move the neck position. Again, without knowing the situation, I would hesitate to judge. That is one place where we differ.
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        06-17-2013, 10:05 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    The worst for me was when I took several of my lesson kids to a "fun" open show. The english was in the AM, western after lunch. We rode, went back to the trailer to eat and get ready to pack up, and we sat there and watched a girl beat the crap out of her horse with a lunge whip and chase him around at a gallop for a full 45 minutes. Then when he was too tired to hold his head up, and could barely stumble along, she tacked him up and went down for her WP class. I was so steamed that my kids had to see that, when it was supposed to be a fun, laid-back event it was all I could do not to go after her and rip her a new one in front of the judges. If you can't ride your horse without utterly exhausting it first, then you certainly don't need to be showing.
         
        06-17-2013, 10:30 PM
      #13
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    I actually have a really difficult time watching a spoiled kid get off and yank a horse around for something the kid did.

    Toto-you and I will not agree. I have no issue with someone spanking my horse if he needs it. None. Mostly because noone rides my horse who wouldn't treat him as I do, and he sometimes needs spanking. I would be more upset if they let him slack off or give them crap. And, spanking a neck or shoulder for a spin does not need to move the neck position. Again, without knowing the situation, I would hesitate to judge. That is one place where we differ.
    Agree-- if the horse needed repremand im OK with that.

    Spanking the neck *did* mess up the neck position- the horse was cowering away (bending the neck away) that's the wrong thing to do- I figure to make up for her wrong seat position, lol. She was more trying to rubberneck him than move his front end.. the spin wasnt right.

    I know I aint the judge but its in the open.. im sorry but im judging- and giving people the 'what are you doing' face
         
        06-17-2013, 10:37 PM
      #14
    Trained
    What I saw was not determined abuse, but to me still was very hard on the horses. Not just one, but two of them were doing it and very proud of what they had accomplished. No doubt it takes some serious training to get a horse to move like that with their nose 6" off the ground.

    I also saw a lady trying VERY hard to do a sitting trot, but all she accomplished in doing was using the reins as a lifeline. At a walk and canter she was OK, not great, but OK. Not hurting the horse anyway.

    What I was mostly amazed at was the fact that I gave up an entire weekend of watching horses and riders, talking to reasonable people and just getting out because I couldn't get over a handful of activities that weren't even atrocious. Yes, they upset me, but 1. There wasn't anything I was going to be able to do about it and 2. The activities weren't harsh enough to warrant reporting.
         
        06-17-2013, 11:01 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    No matter what kind of horse event you go to you will more than likely see something that is disturbing. One thing to remember is not to judge the discipline or event as a whole based off of a couple of people doing it incorrectly. It would be like saying that all drivers are bad because one person cut you off. There are just too many riders(or drivers) to make that assumption off of an incident or two. Not saying that anyone here posting so far has made those assumptions but if you do not go in with that thinking you will be frustrated. But there are going to be disciplines or classes you just don't like no matter what :)

    I will add to what has been said though, on Memorial Day we went to a parade and there was a group of Charros, the horses were very well trained and not the least bit agitated. They were accompanied by a band which they stepped to. It was really neat to watch and done well. I wish I would of had my phone or camera to take pictures, it literally gave me goose bumps, but in a good way!

    I agree that smacking one in the eye or neck defeats the purpose of having to use the rein in speeding up or moving the shoulder in the spin, they just end up throwing the head up and way and still dragging the shoulder. Using the spur constantly nagging causes resentment. For me, I set him up, apply the cues, cluck for speed, if I don't get it use the leg, still nothing a slap on the shoulder with the side of my stirrup and still nothing- a rein on the shoulder, not the neck.
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        06-17-2013, 11:15 PM
      #16
    Banned
    COWCHICK - oh I envy you folk who can reach the shoulder......my friend was telling me 'bump his shoulder, bump his shoulder!!!!!'.......I stopped and said 'look - that's as far as my stumps reach!!!' She says 'oooooooh' !!! LOL
         
        06-18-2013, 08:53 PM
      #17
    Trained
    I would treat this situation much like a tv show I don't like. I don't make a big stink about it and demand it be removed from the air. I just don't watch it again. If it doesn't float your boat, why watch it.
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        06-18-2013, 09:02 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Yup, MBP, that's why I left. I figured if all I was going to do was focus on the negative I didn't belong there.
         
        06-18-2013, 09:37 PM
      #19
    Trained
    I have seen some nasty things. As long as there's no abuse to the horse, even if it's not my cup of tea, it's fine with me. I don't agree with horses trotting on a big 40ft circle on a lunge line for half an hour before a class for example. I much prefer to change directions on a small circle to lunge, yield the hindquarters, send them another way, change directions more, etc. But that's just my way, not everyone's way.

    I think riding the WP horses is cool. I don't like them just having their heads cranked down, but a nice low headed smooth WP horse is a wonderful ride even if it's painful for some people to watch. I much prefer a level, relaxed body, head level with the withers and no lower. I like the WP horse to be soft and on the vertical, truly collected instead of heavy on the forehand and head in the dirt.

    I watched a big name trainer (Oh how I would love to say his name and b**** about him, as he also lamed up my horse when she was three, but that's another story) who was showing at our Summer Classic show. He had a reining horse who literally had his nose on the dirt, dumping on his forehand, and was nosing out. He was not soft in the bridle, he was not collected, he was flat out rooting out through the bit the entire run and yet he still placed because he is a big name who sponsored the show and he's won a lot of stuff.

    Also seen horses come out of barrel runs with bloody sides and bloody lips, which makes me more angry than you can possibly imagine.

    On our HS Equestrian teams here, everyone does every event, regardless if you are actually qualified to do it or not. THAT is painful, let me tell you. The reining, everyone does it, so out of 50+ riders, only three of us had legitimate reining horses. The others broke to the trot for their lead change or flew around on the wrong lead, travelled a good 50ft in their spin, hauled to a front endy stop, kicked their butt out in a rollback, etc. The judges must just be cringing throughout the entire class, just waiting for the people who really want to win to show up.

    Don't get me wrong, I love HS Equestrian, but DANG! You could sit and watch for an hour and likely not see one good rider in any given event. You see awesome jumpers entering the cattle events, you see great barrel horses doing dressage, and cart driving ponies walking the barrel pattern. Sure the specialized horses do their events and rock them too, but the odds of you catching the really good riders among 100+ entries, only maybe 30 say being serious about it, are low.
         
        06-18-2013, 10:56 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
    What I saw was not determined abuse, but to me still was very hard on the horses. Not just one, but two of them were doing it and very proud of what they had accomplished. No doubt it takes some serious training to get a horse to move like that with their nose 6" off the ground.

    most riding is strenuous, and, IMO WP doesn't even make anywhere near the top of the list. Do you complain when a horse is cutting cows, jumping 5 foot, eventing, or reining? Yes, they look mechanical which I guess to some translates into "painful", but it is far, far, far from abuse! Most of those horses are BRED to go low and slow like that. We had a WP horse at my barn and while he did a 3 beat lope he could make ANYONE look like a rider!

    I also saw a lady trying VERY hard to do a sitting trot, but all she accomplished in doing was using the reins as a lifeline. At a walk and canter she was OK, not great, but OK. Not hurting the horse anyway.

    are you blaming WP for this? It sounds like poor coaching to me!! Again, you can find it at any show.

    What I was mostly amazed at was the fact that I gave up an entire weekend of watching horses and riders, talking to reasonable people and just getting out because I couldn't get over a handful of activities that weren't even atrocious. Yes, they upset me, but 1. There wasn't anything I was going to be able to do about it and 2. The activities weren't harsh enough to warrant reporting.

    its sad that you would think you "wasted your time". I can find something to learn every time I watch a trainer train, ride a new horse or go to a horse show. Yeah, WP is no doubt boring but it take skill!
    Just because one particular discipline might not be your cup of tea doesn't mean you have discredit those who work hard and honestly to be on top of their game!

    What is you chosen discipline, if you don't mind me asking?
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