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    06-19-2013, 02:04 AM
Saying WP doesn't take skill is foolish.

I've seen horses in every discipline who can make the rider look good even when they're not. Barrel horses, reining horses, jumping horses, all of the above...

The idea behind WP is an invisible cue, just as in dressage. A nice WP horse is hard to come by, one who actually used their body but maintains the desired gait with nearly no cues and a totally slack rein. It takes a long time to get them perfected, and used to the show scene just like any other horse. They aren't born broke to lope around the rail. They still stop, haunch turn, forehand turn, sidepass, flying changes, counter canter, etc, just like any other show horse should.
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    06-19-2013, 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by SlideStop    
Just because one particular discipline might not be your cup of tea doesn't mean you have discredit those who work hard and honestly to be on top of their game!

What is you chosen discipline, if you don't mind me asking?
I ride western, at home, in the bush, for fun. No showing. No competition. Sometimes on the road. Sometimes for 1/2 hr. Sometimes for several hours.

I don't have anything against WP at all. I think it's wonderful when done correctly just like any other discipline. And there were some riders and horses there that were easy to watch. What I saw that bothered me was not smooth, was not effortless. I tried to find a similar video to demonstrate, but so far haven't been able to. I'll look again.

Now to your responses:
most riding is strenuous, and, IMO WP doesn't even make anywhere near the top of the list. Do you complain when a horse is cutting cows, jumping 5 foot, eventing, or reining? Yes, they look mechanical which I guess to some translates into "painful", but it is far, far, far from abuse! Most of those horses are BRED to go low and slow like that. We had a WP horse at my barn and while he did a 3 beat lope he could make ANYONE look like a rider!
I guess you thought that when I said it was "hard on the horse" you thought I meant strenuous. That's not really right insofar as physical exertion. I mean it appeared to be physically "not right." Something like, it is strenuous for a gymnast to complete a floor performance, but it is not right for a gymnast to perform a movement that causes her legs to be at more than 180* (ie. An over-split). Or it is strenuous for a horse to run a race, but it is hard on a horse to run at full speed for over 1/2 hour. Does that make more sense?

are you blaming WP for this? It sounds like poor coaching to me!! Again, you can find it at any show
No. Not at all. Did I saw I was? Did I even indicate if the lady was riding Western or English? No, I did not. I'm well aware that poor riding skills can be found at any show; as can good skills which is why I like to watch. I agree -- poor coaching for that lady; if she had any at all. Maybe she was learning on her own. I dunno... I didn't ask. I don't like to ask or intervene unless I really feel a need because people quickly get defensive. Imagine that.

its sad that you would think you "wasted your time". I can find something to learn every time I watch a trainer train, ride a new horse or go to a horse show. Yeah, WP is no doubt boring but it take skill!
Where did I say I wasted my time? I didn't. I missed out on some good stuff because I couldn't get my focus away from the bad stuff. So instead, I went home and did a lot of productive and positive stuff there. No time was wasted; an opportunity for me to learn was, solely because of my lack of tolerance. I also don't think WP is boring. And I do think it takes skill.

Wow, where did you get so defensive about WP?
    06-19-2013, 11:04 PM
Video examples

Kind of like this -- go to about :52. What I saw did not have as much head bob, and definitely a overall lower headset. To me this horse just looks MISERABLE and I can't stand to watch it.

Vs. here at :24 -- the gait still looks awkward to me, but not painful. Keep in mind this video is apparently a novice show, so it's far from perfect, but definitely watchable.
    06-20-2013, 12:17 AM
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It just rubs me the wrong way when people come on here and throw everyone into the same basket. How many times do we have to see threads that say "Reining should be illegal because it messes horses joints up" or "WP is stupid because all you see if horses going slow and standing in their stalls with their heads tied up for 52 hours" or "Ban gaited shows because the horse horses are sored" or "gymkhana ruins horses brains". So, you might have seen a few bad seed. Bad seeds are everywhere.

If these horses were bored, miserable or in pain they wouldn't be performing like this. I don't see any tail swishing, ear pinning or head shaking. I don't see any horses acting arena sour either. Just because you think they are miserable because it doesn't excite you doesn't make it so. Like I said, (or maybe didn't say, don't remember) we had a "retired" wp horse and he really only wanted to go slow, as slow as you would let him. He WANTED to do what these horses were doing. That was with ZERO wp tuning in years.
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    06-20-2013, 11:20 PM
Well, SlideStop, I am NOT one of those people that throw everyone into the same basket. But it seems like that is precisely what you are doing with me.

I did not state, nor imply, I had a problem with WP in general. I clearly stated that there were TWO horse & rider teams I couldn't watch and ONE other lady that I found mildy distressing. If the entire show had only three riders, that would hardly be a show now would it? And, I didn't state in the OP because I didn't think it was necessary, but the show was multi-discipline.

Honestly, SlideStop, I feel like you are jumping all over this thread because you are overly defensive about WP. Other posters have indicated they have seen OTHER things that have upset them as well. This thread is NOT about dissing WP. It's about our sensitivity to viewing different things and how each person reacts to what they don't like to see. And no one here, except you, is focusing just on one discipline.

Just to be clear: NO ONE IS DISSING WP! Chill.
    06-20-2013, 11:52 PM
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I don't think I threw you in a basket, but ok fine, if you say so.

My apologies, I thought you were using these three riders as examples. I guess I misread your posts. But I still stand be hind the "if there were in pain/miserable statement".

Quite frankly, I don't give a rats behind about western pleasure. Although I do see the purpose behind it and why it attracts a crowed I really could care less to see horses moving slower then a sloth. It just doesn't rate up there as fun or interesting in my book. I do give them credit though, it is quite an accomplishment to actually get them that slow and steady.

As for the chilling, I believe you should also! I don't think what I said was enough to get anyone panties in a knot. It's called misunderstanding.
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    06-21-2013, 12:11 AM
As far as the pain/misery thing - you weren't there; you didn't see the horses I saw and there was plenty of tail swishing going on.

I agree, I wouldn't want to ride that slowly. But it sure is interesting to watch when well done.

All good now. No more misunderstanding. :)
    06-21-2013, 12:35 PM
Without you knowing the horse, knowing vet statements, chiropractic exams, etc, you have no way of knowing what the tail swishing was from, either. I have an older mare who swishes her tail constantly in the warmup because she's not a fan of other horses. My younger mare just does it because she's fresh. Even a slow moving WP horse can be fresh, even if their natural gait doesn't make it seem so.
    06-21-2013, 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
Without you knowing the horse, knowing vet statements, chiropractic exams, etc, you have no way of knowing what the tail swishing was from, either. I have an older mare who swishes her tail constantly in the warmup because she's not a fan of other horses. My younger mare just does it because she's fresh. Even a slow moving WP horse can be fresh, even if their natural gait doesn't make it seem so.
I only get on ya because I like ya so don't be offended-- but the horse that was tail swishing wasnt in a warm up pen it was being lunged- like you said about your younger mare- she's fresh lazy and don't wanna do nothin.

And no animal moves like the horses in wp --not the way they are movin now.. not even close! You slow me a horse that's not trained to move that slow and does it naturally! Not with that broken leg four beat lope theyre doing now.. not with their necks draggin the dirt-- I hear the aqha banned havin a horses head lower than the wither because it aint natural- they want a straight neck not a horse that is bowing.. its not the horses faults but the judges pinnin horses like that aint right! Sorry.
    06-21-2013, 07:06 PM
Judges also have to judge what's presented right in front of them though. If they're given a class with only four-beat lopes and hanging heads, they still have to place them in a "best of the worst" situation.
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