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        06-21-2013, 06:59 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
    Either that or disqualify the lot of them for breaking the rules. I bet THAT would get a reaction.
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        06-21-2013, 07:24 PM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
    Either that or disqualify the lot of them for breaking the rules. I bet THAT would get a reaction.
    Agree! Agree! Agree!

    I've seen a judge refuse to pin in some classes before-- definitely makes a statement- they call the shots no matter what the aqha says!
         
        06-21-2013, 10:47 PM
      #33
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    I only get on ya because I like ya so don't be offended-- but the horse that was tail swishing wasnt in a warm up pen it was being lunged- like you said about your younger mare- she's fresh lazy and don't wanna do nothin.

    And no animal moves like the horses in wp --not the way they are movin now.. not even close! You slow me a horse that's not trained to move that slow and does it naturally! Not with that broken leg four beat lope theyre doing now.. not with their necks draggin the dirt-- I hear the aqha banned havin a horses head lower than the wither because it aint natural- they want a straight neck not a horse that is bowing.. its not the horses faults but the judges pinnin horses like that aint right! Sorry.
    Well, if you are familiar with my stand on WP, you would know I advocate for a strong moving, correctly collected, on the vertical and soft horse, without the neck lower than the withers. I do not ever want to see a peanut roller.

    However, you can't train that sort of gait into a horse. It has to be bred. Yes, by humans selectively, however you can't take any horse and say "Hmm, I'd like to train it for pleasure" if we could, I'd love to do it with my little cow pony mare, because she is a ROUGH ride!

    For example, watch this guy.


    Even just free in the pasture Zips Chocolate Chip shows a typical pleasure horse gait. Sure, you can doll it up, slow it down or speed it up in some cases, but that same smooth jog and lope are still bred into that stud.
         
        06-21-2013, 10:56 PM
      #34
    Trained
    While we're talking about it though does anyone wanna talk about hunter under saddle classes these days?

    A lot of WP horses also do this event and are able to be more stretched out, though still slower, deliberate, balanced.


    This horse, for example, does both.

         
        06-21-2013, 11:19 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
    I will say this, if I had ridden my hunter class the way that rider in the Hot Diggity Joe video was riding, my trainer would have yanked me off the horse and chased me back to the trailer with a crop.

    I am not a fan of the breed show "hunter" classes. They still look like WP horses in English tack to me, just chased around at a faster pace. But again, that's personal, not knocking those that do it and enjoy it.
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        06-22-2013, 01:16 AM
      #36
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    Well, if you are familiar with my stand on WP, you would know I advocate for a strong moving, correctly collected, on the vertical and soft horse, without the neck lower than the withers. I do not ever want to see a peanut roller.

    However, you can't train that sort of gait into a horse. It has to be bred. Yes, by humans selectively, however you can't take any horse and say "Hmm, I'd like to train it for pleasure" if we could, I'd love to do it with my little cow pony mare, because she is a ROUGH ride!

    For example, watch this guy.

    Zips Chocolate Chip - The All-time Leading Sire of AQHA Western Pleasure Horses - YouTube

    Even just free in the pasture Zips Chocolate Chip shows a typical pleasure horse gait. Sure, you can doll it up, slow it down or speed it up in some cases, but that same smooth jog and lope are still bred into that stud.

    I am not familiar-- does anyone want to see a peanut roller ? Lol.. yes! Its what the judges are pinning now and will be for a long time even though its been banned by the aqha.

    Lol I know who zips chocolate chip is- we have a quarter appy out of his lines- he's naturally 'collected ' mover.

    I know that's bred into a horse but the whole 4 beat lope and 'peanut roller' deal is not bred its trained.. I know theyve got natural pleasure gaits but what im gettin at is theyre trained to have a peanut roller headset and a four beat lope-- that's the problem.. the training not the pleasure horse.

    The judges need to be pinning the naturally talented horses not the man made ones- that's how you ruin a breed right there! Just like the twh! Theyre breeding them pacey horses with man made gaits and they ride bad unless shod with them big ol pads.. a walker shouldnt pace they walk!! a quarter horse don't four beat lope about to kick themselves in the chin- they three beat with a level headset!!
         
        06-22-2013, 02:09 AM
      #37
    Trained
    Then we aren't disagreeing on anything...Just clarification.

    I don't like bashing anything. I don't appreciate people telling me that my barrel horses are all psycho hot headed idiots, anymore than I appreciate people telling me my old 22 year old pleasure mare I showed as a kid is a "disgusting, unnatural, peanut roller". Both of which I have worked extremely hard with and are happy horses.

    That's not to say that my barrel horses aren't hot. Because they are. But that's almost a necessity. That's also not to say that my WP mare (retired), isn't a slow moving horse, but she shows true collection and balance from much work with a trainer in her younger days, before I knew anything about horses except sit up and smile at the judge.
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        06-22-2013, 12:45 PM
      #38
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    Then we aren't disagreeing on anything...Just clarification.

    I don't like bashing anything. I don't appreciate people telling me that my barrel horses are all psycho hot headed idiots, anymore than I appreciate people telling me my old 22 year old pleasure mare I showed as a kid is a "disgusting, unnatural, peanut roller". Both of which I have worked extremely hard with and are happy horses.

    That's not to say that my barrel horses aren't hot. Because they are. But that's almost a necessity. That's also not to say that my WP mare (retired), isn't a slow moving horse, but she shows true collection and balance from much work with a trainer in her younger days, before I knew anything about horses except sit up and smile at the judge.
    Exactly--youns suppose im just hard to understand? Lol.

    Don't worry im not bashing wp-- im more 'calling out' the judges- they do make the final call on who gets pinned no matter what the breed association says.

    I agree-- barrel horses are crazy- its the training though- that's what most barrel racers want- a crazy and fast horse-- that's what wins you money not a calm lazy horse, lol.

    Aw I miss my younger years- my cousin sworn by usin fire engine red lipstick so the judges could see her smile!
         
        06-22-2013, 03:06 PM
      #39
    Trained
    Any horse who can keep their mind in any event, is a good one. There's reining horses who go insane circle burning. My Lean With Me mare is exactly like that. She got so fed up doing reining work, I turned her into a barrel horse...And wouldn't you know, suddenly she is winning reining classes again. It's funny how they can tell us what they want.
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        06-22-2013, 04:00 PM
      #40
    Trained
    Question of ignorance here. I know zip about WP. That gait that Zips Chocolate Chip is doing around 2:15 after the lope, is that a western jog?
         

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