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post #41 of 57 Old 06-22-2013, 05:10 PM
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Question of ignorance here. I know zip about WP. That gait that Zips Chocolate Chip is doing around 2:15 after the lope, is that a western jog?
Yes. That's what western pleasure used to look like. You show up doing that jog there now and you wont even place!
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post #42 of 57 Old 06-22-2013, 05:26 PM
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I used to trail ride with a woman on a QH. I could never figure out why my long legged TB could never seem to keep up with her horse at the walk. Years later, I found out he was actually doing that jog. To me it looked like a fast walk...little cheater!

Thanks for posting that video. That's a beautiful lope, but I think I would slide right down that horse's neck and over his head. I never could get the feel of the western breeds.
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post #43 of 57 Old 06-22-2013, 10:12 PM
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I looove the low headset. I always freak out when I rode a horse whose head went above their withers. Felt like I was in for a wild ride, aha. I usually always have to pick up my WP horse's heads. They are naturally built with that low neck set. All my yearlings look like they are sniffing dirt until I ask them to pick it up. Stock breed showing is definitely a love/hate kind of thing.


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Of course oh vair oh, naturally low is a totally different thing than pulling the head down.

I spent a lot of time trying to get my mare low headed for reining, but it wasn't her thing. So I quit and let her have her head up...She actually started winning more that way. I also tried doing classes such as Western Horsemanship and Trail with her and she told me quickly she was not low and slow enough for those classes...After I made it to State Championships in Western and she pitched a rearing fit in the middle of all the sweet, well behaved WP type horses

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #45 of 57 Old 06-23-2013, 02:37 AM
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I will say this, if I had ridden my hunter class the way that rider in the Hot Diggity Joe video was riding, my trainer would have yanked me off the horse and chased me back to the trailer with a crop.

I am not a fan of the breed show "hunter" classes. They still look like WP horses in English tack to me, just chased around at a faster pace. But again, that's personal, not knocking those that do it and enjoy it.
I am also mystified by the HUS classes. I don't get the purpose. The horse isn't ridden like a real hunter at all, and many of the riders really can't ride well in an English saddle. Why don't they just do Western pleasure, which is what the horse has been bred and trained for.?

OK, it's fun. It's fun to change your costume and your tack. But don't kid yourself that that is real English riding. I wonder how folks in England feel about HUS classes. Are they mystified, too?

I , too, feel uncomfortable on a horse whose head is hanging down below his withers. The rule says not below, but every horse in that video had the head below the withers.
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I am also mystified by the HUS classes. I don't get the purpose. The horse isn't ridden like a real hunter at all, and many of the riders really can't ride well in an English saddle. Why don't they just do Western pleasure, which is what the horse has been bred and trained for.?

OK, it's fun. It's fun to change your costume and your tack. But don't kid yourself that that is real English riding. I wonder how folks in England feel about HUS classes. Are they mystified, too?

I , too, feel uncomfortable on a horse whose head is hanging down below his withers. The rule says not below, but every horse in that video had the head below the withers.
You have to remember, these are stock hunters. Stock horses were not originally bred to be hunters like open hunters such as thoroughbreds and sport horses were. They look and move differently. When people say these are western horses in english saddles, they are. Haha. We like the slow, collected, suspended movement with the low head. It's how the stock horses are built. If you are looking for open hunter movement, you need to go look at open hunters. I think it's beautiful and elegant, and an art to getting that soft leg and slow collected frame with the lofty stride. Of course, I don't like the way open hunters move. I feel out of control on them.


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Yes. That's what western pleasure used to look like. You show up doing that jog there now and you wont even place!
You haven't been to many shows or watched many lately have you?

There were fantastic, and deep, pleasure classes at PWC last week.
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You have to remember, these are stock hunters. Stock horses were not originally bred to be hunters like open hunters such as thoroughbreds and sport horses were. They look and move differently. When people say these are western horses in english saddles, they are. Haha. We like the slow, collected, suspended movement with the low head. It's how the stock horses are built. If you are looking for open hunter movement, you need to go look at open hunters. I think it's beautiful and elegant, and an art to getting that soft leg and slow collected frame with the lofty stride. Of course, I don't like the way open hunters move. I feel out of control on them.
I have to disagree with you on this. Just because they are stock bred doesn't mean they can't be ridden as proper hunters, with a frame and contact. If you like the western look in your horses then ride western, don't dress them up in english gear and call them hunters when it's obvious they aren't. Just because they are at a breed show shouldn't excuse them from riding in a way that is proper for the style they are showing. And if all the horses at these breed shows had to be shown that way because they are stock bred, then this QH at Congress didn't get that memo. I don't see a low headset and loopy reins on her.



I'm not trying to be argumentative, but it just seems ridiculous to me to call them hunters when they aren't ridden like hunters, and they certainly don't move like them. Call it english style pleasure, but don't call it something it isn't.

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That's jumpers, not hunters. Even in open showing jumpers do not have the certain form and cadence that hunters do.

Our quarters and paints are in frame, with no contact. Personally, I think that's more difficult. Why that's attributed to "western horses only" I don't know, I think having good control of your horse without being in its face all the time is good for any discipline.
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You haven't been to many shows or watched many lately have you?

There were fantastic, and deep, pleasure classes at PWC last week.

You telling me the pintos do wp faster than the aqha horses?

Do you live in OK or was you competing in the world show?
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