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    02-22-2012, 12:56 PM
  #1
Yearling
Question Was this judge correct?

Here's the situation:

Huntseat (english) equitation class. So it's completely on the rider. Rider #1 has near perfect equitation. Her shoulders are slightly rounded, and heels are slightly forward. At all of the gaits, rider is seated quietly, moving with the horse. For the most part, a decent example of good equitation.

Rider #2 is a very good rider (especially riding western), but has a form of multiple sclorosis so her body alignment is far from where it should be. Her heels are in a vertical line from her knees, and she is leaning forward quite a bit. Her movements are "choppy" at the trot and canter, like she's fighting to find the rythym of the horse.

Both riders personnaly know the judges. And both riders are competing for and currently tied for all-around.

Rider #2 places above rider #1. Reasons given were: taking rider #2's physical/medical situation into consideration she had the best ride for what her limitations where. Though rider #1 had a very good ride, she did not have physical limitations that prevented her from completely straightening her shoulders, and keeping her heels in the correct line.

Without sounding like a completely insensitive B****, where the judges correct and justified in taking rider #2's medical condition into consideration when placing the class?
     
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    02-22-2012, 01:20 PM
  #2
Banned
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Originally Posted by busysmurf    
Without sounding like a completely insensitive B****, were the judges correct and justified in taking rider #2's medical condition into consideration when placing the class?
Yes, they were.

There's no way Rider #2 could have improved her posture, while Rider #1 had no such limitations.

Everything else being equal, if Rider #2 had the better ride and presentation, then she deserved to pin above Rider #1.
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    02-22-2012, 01:24 PM
  #3
Green Broke
ITA with SR -- apparently Rider #2 did the absolute best she possibly could have and Rider #1 did not.
     
    02-22-2012, 01:25 PM
  #4
mls
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by busysmurf    
Here's the situation:

Huntseat (english) equitation class. So it's completely on the rider. Rider #1 has near perfect equitation. Her shoulders are slightly rounded, and heels are slightly forward. At all of the gaits, rider is seated quietly, moving with the horse. For the most part, a decent example of good equitation.


Without sounding like a completely insensitive B****, where the judges correct and justified in taking rider #2's medical condition into consideration when placing the class?
You said it yourself - 'for the most part'. Judging is subjective.
     
    02-22-2012, 01:32 PM
  #5
Yearling
Very Interesting! Now let's throw a wrench in the situation (I like to instigate, LOL).

What if Rider #1 had a previously broken collarbone that had healed in a forward position preventing her from physically straightening/squaring her shoulders. So now both riders have physical limitations that prevent them from having 100% equitation. One that has a visible condition & one has a condition isn't as appearant. Now all things are equal.

What are your thoughts?
     
    02-22-2012, 01:55 PM
  #6
mls
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by busysmurf    
Very Interesting! Now let's throw a wrench in the situation (I like to instigate, LOL).

What if Rider #1 had a previously broken collarbone that had healed in a forward position preventing her from physically straightening/squaring her shoulders. So now both riders have physical limitations that prevent them from having 100% equitation. One that has a visible condition & one has a condition isn't as appearant. Now all things are equal.

What are your thoughts?
You already said in your original post that

Though rider #1 had a very good ride, she did not have physical limitations that prevented her from completely straightening her shoulders, and keeping her heels in the correct line.


You can't change your story because you don't like the answers.
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    02-22-2012, 02:01 PM
  #7
Banned
Well, here's the biggest problem - we can't see the class.

Position is a big part of judging an eq class, but there are other parts. Was one horse traveling inverted or showing a lack of acceptance of the bit? Were both rider's transitions prompt and obedient? Did both riders immediately rise on the correct diagnol by feel or did one have to post a few strides and then switch? Did one, heaven forbid, look down for their diagnol or lead? Did one get a wrong lead or blow a canter depart?

Equitation is about effective horsemanship, so a rider with poor posture but impeccable control should always pin above a rider with excellent position but with an error or disobedience.

You've described two riders with position flaws. I'm guessing that the judge did not take disability into the equation at all, but judged the riders on their effectivenss and other criteria.
     
    02-22-2012, 02:05 PM
  #8
Trained
Yes the judge is right, they make the best decision they can, in their opinion, and on that day, if you stop believing that then there is no point going into the ring.

After every class there is one person who thinks that the judge is a wonderful judge, and the rest of the class has doubts.
     
    02-22-2012, 02:07 PM
  #9
Banned
Of course the judge is correct.

Judges are always right.

That's the first rule of showing.
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    02-22-2012, 02:10 PM
  #10
Showing
Would you believe, first impressions count a lot when entering a ring. Many riders "straighten up" after they've entered the ring. That first impression carries a lot of weight when a difficult decision has to be made.
     

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