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        04-09-2007, 04:18 PM
      #11
    Foal
    I know how you feel right now i'm just starting off my show season ,and it's pretty small but in the summer i'm moving up to bigger shows and more competition. I own a Percheron/Paint so whenever I go to the shows and enter any kind of jumping class I always hear trainers on foot talking to their showing girls. Saying stuff like oh don't worry about her she owns a percheron they don't jump well at all or Oh they can't jump.Well aparently if you look at my avatar ..OH MY GOSH he can jump and the judges and those girls and their trainers who were talking about me and Dublin always watch me walk out of that arena absolutely astounded. Good judges are REALLY hard to find... And Great judges at least where I show at .. don't exsist.
         
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        04-09-2007, 04:45 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Heya, when I go showing we actually choose our judges, so we have a good chance, we've been showing for many years now and so we know the good and bad judges and who likes and who dislikes our ponies, it takes time but its well worth it.

    However I went to a show today and I took my tradional coloured and he went brilliantly, I took him in the first class and he went great, got third out of bout 10 (which is great for a first time out with him) anyways I went into my next class (same judge) and it was the inhand coloured and he places the all nice;y plaited scewbald ponies 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th then the piebald tradionals, you could just tell what he liked he was a crap judge (sorry just expressing my angryness ) lol it was really a pain in the ass, anyways im getting his name and im not entrying if he's the judges again.
    Tbh id rather travel than get badly place due to what breed or colour the judge likes I mean it isnt on the colour or if there plaited or tradtional, its about the porpotion and how they move and etc you all know what I mean. Lol okay I think I've expressed myself abit to much but hope you all understand the point im getting at
         
        04-15-2007, 07:09 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Yeah horsecrazy I tend to do the same with choosing judges- however around here there are always new judges coming up or ones that i've nver been under and here our judges are very "You scratch my back and i'll scratch yours"- which is very unfair- i've been in many situations were everyone even people who have beaten me in a class will tell mje that I deserved to be hgher up the line or even deserved to win, or I know that I didn't really deserve the win and that's just the way showing is.
         
        04-15-2007, 07:16 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    Wow, we def. Don't get to chose our judges in the states. I think it's a bit unfair being able to choose a judge, honestly. Like showpony said, the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" would be everywhere. There would be too much politics in showing if it became that way here.
         
        04-15-2007, 07:27 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Our showing is totally corrupt! It is extremely political and that's way i'm trying to get into dressage more- the judges have to give you feedback! And it's so much more fun.

    BTW when I say we choose our judges I mean when we get a program first thing I do is check out who's judging then depending on whether they like/dislike my horse I decvide to enter or not. Sometimes if i'm not sure we talk to friends who know what type of horse they like or whether they are "face judges"- here showing has gotten more facey in the last 3yrs and unfotunately I don't think it's goona change anytime soon.
    Showing is too expensive too waste money on a judge who you know isn't going to place you. Also here to compete at Our Royals especially Sydney Royal it requires performances which are 1sts, Champions or Reserve Champions- Everyone's aim is to qualify there horse for the Royals- and quallies can be anywhere of a minimum of 3 to a minimum of 7 depending on class etc. THen you have to nominate and then be acceptd it's hard work and means campaigning for a year often every weekend or every couple of wekends to get the necessary quallies. It's all very political and Frustrating!
         
        04-15-2007, 08:21 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Wow, I can't believe that. I had no idea. There is no way I'd show that way. In the states, we have judges that are assigned to the classes. We don't pick and they aren't supposed to discriminate. I also like dressage a lot because there is less room for discrimination. They have to go by the score card and leave comments as to WHY they marked you down. It seems as if a lot of people would kiss a judge's behind to get in good with them where you are. I'd say a lot of judges are paid off as well! Are there any decent judges or shows? It seems as if even though you win a show, doesn't even mean that you're a good rider with that sort of system. It just seems as if you know the right people!
         
        04-16-2007, 12:05 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    Yes Kristy it is very much who you know- I hate that part of showing and i'm definitely not a "face" in our show scene. There are some good judges who don't care about faces etc. THe best thing is when we have big shows we get alot of overseas judges particularly from the UK who don't know the "faces" so don't show favouritism which is good.
         
        04-16-2007, 04:52 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Good. I feel bad for the riders that aren't well known but are still very good riders. Hopefully the way things are will fade out. After all, every judge must retire some day.
         
        04-17-2007, 02:14 AM
      #19
    Weanling
    Well yes it can be really annoying when you feel you have been judged unfairly! BUT I would seriously discourage any abuse of any official.....here in NZ that is viewed as bad as galloping past the Master on the Hunt! If you abuse an official or Judge it can result in instant elimination.....there are avenues to complain but you must pay for the previlege and within a certain time frame of your class! Your money only comes back if you are found correct...!
    YES it can be annoying but we just dig our toes in and come back with avengeance at the next show. 8)
         
        04-17-2007, 03:38 AM
      #20
    Yearling
    I wouldn't ever abuse an official, but I certainly have a hard time being two faced to someone. This gets me in a bit of trouble, but I'd rather trouble then be fake.
         

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