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        10-20-2009, 02:31 AM
    Showing this weekend, just some questions! **LONG**

    So this weekend I am doing just a fun little show with Bear. Aubre (NordicJuniper) and Junior are going too im not totally sure what they are showing though, maybe she will just post and tell us. Anyways...

    So some of you may know that Bear and I are taking up western, well that is starting as of... Today. I free lunged him with the western today, which he was AWESOME for. He didnt my the saddle at all, though he was a bit iffy when I was putting it on. So our first western ride together is going to be Wednesday. I will work on walk and jog only, as that is all we are showing. I will be showing two handed, which the judges seem to be okay with. Tomorrow he will get the western bit in and I will work with him on the ground, getting him used to it. I might hop on western tomorrow just for fun, but we will see. I am going to wear a helmet for school though, just incase, haha. At the show I will not wear my helmet though, unless they flip out and say that I have to, lol, which they shouldnt. (I don't normally wear a helmet western, always do english though.)

    So we are doing:

    3. English Equitation, 2 Gait Beginning Rider
    8. English Pleasure, Hunt Seat, 2 Gait Beginning Rider
    31. Showmanship - English/Western Beginner
    41. Western Equitation, 2 Gait Beginning Rider
    46. Western Pleasure, 2 Gait Beginning Rider
    We will be signing up for Daily Hi-Point: Beginner Rider, just for fun, im not expecting to get it or anything. I will be surprised if we do.

    So do you guys thing that 31. Showmanship - English/Western Beginner will be counted for beginner rider?

    Also, do you think it is okay to do this little schooling show while Bear is skinny still? He is gaining so much weight, but is still skinny. I was thinking of Making a little Sign that says, "RESCUE HORSE" on it, so no one can bitch at me to much about it. I will tell the judges that he is a rescue and that he was only rescued a 1 1/2 months ago.

    In honest opinions, do you this we can do it? I posted some pictures below.

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    He follows me everywhere, so leading is easy.
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    Our halting.
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    Trotting, my heels, popped up, so weird.
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    Him western today, I think he looks pretty darn cute!
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    Confo, kind of. He has gained a little weight since then (I think). That was about 1-2 weeks ago.

    Should I do button braids, would that look okay western? Or should I just band?
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        10-20-2009, 12:28 PM
    I will be showing two handed, which the judges seem to be okay with. Tomorrow he will get the western bit in and I will work with him on the ground, getting him used to it.
    If you are riding two handed, it should be in a snaffle, not a curb bit, so there shouldn't be too much adjusting for your horse to do. Please do not ride two handed in a curb bit on a mostly english horse

    Also, do you think it is okay to do this little schooling show while Bear is skinny still? He is gaining so much weight, but is still skinny. I was thinking of Making a little Sign that says, "RESCUE HORSE" on it, so no one can bitch at me to much about it. I will tell the judges that he is a rescue and that he was only rescued a 1 1/2 months ago.
    In my honest-to-God, blunt-as-heck opinion for any horse, not just yours, I wouldn't care if the horse is rescued or not. A skinny horse is a skinny horse, and I personally would comment on it if I saw a skinny horse at a show. If the horse is that thin, he should be at home eating, not burning calories showing. If the horse looks very thin, I would even go so far as bringing it to the stewards' attention.
    I don't mean to offend, but that would be my reaction to seeing a skinny horse at a show.
    You know that I really love the looks of Bear, and I think he has SO much potential!! I'm really honestly not trying to be mean, I am trying to just inform you as to what I would do if I saw a skinny horse at a show. Any skinny horse!
    Bear is looking better, but in my humble opinion, he still has some weight to gain before you're 1) working him hard and 2) showing.

    Should I do button braids, would that look okay western? Or should I just band?
    If you decide to show at any point in the western discipline, braiding is out. Banding is the accepted method of "presenting" your horse's mane.
        10-20-2009, 01:05 PM
    Thanks JDI. As you said, he shouldnt be being worked yet, that is why whenever I do ride him, I only do walk trot, maybe 3-5 strides of canter. I have only ridden him about 6ish times since I got him, and that was a month an a half ago. Since that "confo" shot was taken he has been doing side-rein lunging and has gained another 45lbs. His back is more filled out, though his butt isnt. This is going to sound totally ignorant, and it really is, but I am going to show him this weekend. I am not going to do any canter with him for another couple of months, though that is totally off topic. I am being 100% selfish in this situation, and I feel so bad for doing that, but this is going to be out only show for a while, atleast until he gains more weight and muscle.

    I am going to see how he does in the next few days before the show, though I will only be riding him once before the show (tomorrow), and if he seems to be in any pain or having any problems with things, I wont do the show.

    Just saying, I did get the OK from a few different trainers, and my farrier.

    I agree with your point-of-views, but again, im going to be young and ignorant... "/

    I hope what I just said doesnt upset anyone, like I said, I am just being ignorant... ):

    Also, is banding okay for english? Or should I just not do anything with his mane? Would a french braid in his mane be okay for both English and Western?
        10-20-2009, 01:47 PM
    I am being 100% selfish in this situation, and I feel so bad for doing that
    I hope what I just said doesnt upset anyone, like I said, I am just being ignorant... ):
    *sigh* Okay, I might seem mean here:
    Problem is, you can't claim ignorance on this one. You have been warned, and told otherwise. You can lie to yourself if you want, but you know that what you're doing is wrong.
    Personally, I don't respect a rider who shows their underweight horse, and I will comment on it and I will remember. I will draw attention to the "upper ups" of the show.
    Even if he's gained 45 lbs from those pictures, he still has a long way to go.

    he shouldnt be being worked yet

    You admit this yourself. So do you really think he should be dealing with the stress of showing?
    It doesn't look good on you for the long term. I'm a little surprised that your instructor is okay with it, as it affects her reputation as well.
    I am not okay with this.
    It's one show... that's all I can say.
        10-20-2009, 01:59 PM
    Okay, whatever, I guess I just wont show, doesnt matter. I know im stupid for even thinking about working him at all, so I will just stop working him until spring, maybe longer. 'Kay thanks, bye.
        10-20-2009, 02:05 PM
    And yes, I am being immiture about this, but hey sometimes I am (like right now), everyone is sometimes. People don't like hearing that they shouldnt be doing something and that is why I am reacting. Sorry that I am being rude, guess im just a bit upset. "/ Sorry.
        10-20-2009, 02:06 PM
    It stinks waiting. Been there, and am still there (now the horse has weight on, and I'm injured!!) and guess what? It doesn't suck any less.
    When you rescue and rehab a horse, you take on a LOT of responsibility... much more so than when you buy a horse that's in shape or at least in good condition. You take some sacrifices with that responsibility.
    Bear is super cute, and I think you two make an awesome pair. I would absolutely hate for your name to be tarnished because of a bit of impatience. I would hate for you to look back on this a few years from now and regret going to this show because you know it's too early.
    Living with regret for another living being hurts. When I was young and ignorant I rode my very strong gelding in a wire snaffle. I have a picture of us at a show in that wire snaffle. I wish someone had said something, but this was way back in the olden days of no conventional internet like we have today, and being in a "barn bubble" where my trainer recommended the bit, and told me not only that it was ok, but that it would help fix my horse. I wish someone could have drawn attention to my error, because I wouldn't be living with the regret today.
        10-20-2009, 10:39 PM
    Okay...anyone talking sh** on this forum needs to be quiet...I have trained MULTIPLE horses that are underweight...and have talked with many trainers on this very topic...
    There is NOTHING wrong with showing a horse like Bear...he is not emaciated or unhealthy in appearance or being. His rider knows what she is doing and knows her horse better than anyone on this forum does! It is her decision...
    Back on the topic from a trainers perspective...

    When working with a horse...that you want to show...a schooling show is the BEST is low key and not stressful on the horse. If she was doing a 4ft jumper course...yes I would be worried, but Bear is fit and fine for what his rider is asking of him. The BEST and HEALTHIEST way of putting weight on your horse is simple...increase calorie intake and exercise. An underweight horse should never be left to wait to gain weight back...that can be VERY dangerous to the horses health and physical being. Anyone with a problem can talk to me about it... I have trained multiple horses and riders...and have worked with many horses, riders and trainers which is wear I take my wisdom from. Thanks you
        10-21-2009, 01:05 AM
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    I think people should be very careful when judging others. I'm glad that the OP has this horse and is willing to ask opinions. Her horse, while being a rescue (good for her!!) isn't in THAT bad a shape. This is a fun, local show and the horse seems healthy and happy. It does no harm to give the horse a good experience. That being said, I would probably take him mainly for the experience of going somewhere. I would put very few demands on him and only do minor, simple requirements. If someone is rude enough (or concerned enough) to mention his light condition, be willing to kindly and patiently explain his rescue status.

    Take him to the show, have fun, demand little, and give him a positive experience.

    BTW, while I would take him to this show, and others like it, I would wait until he is in somewhat better condition before I would take him to any rated/recognized shows.

    You have a really nice horse and you should have fun with him. Oh, and be a bit careful with the jumping. He does look like he does have some issues with his front legs that might not be compatible with a lot of hard jumping.
        10-21-2009, 01:50 PM
    Thanks for the support TwoPoint & Allison! I was hoping at least one person was going to say that I should go because I got a lot of other horse people telling me I should go. Anyways, yes, I am going. Im not doing the Showmanship, as he isnt really ready for that and I think that might stress him out a tiny bit.

    Yeah, I wouldnt be doing any rated shows until late spring/summer, once he is fat and in shape. Also his knees are like that because of a bad hoof job. We werent able to get our normal farrier out so we had to use another farrier and he did a VERY bad job... Plus he was 4+ weeks over due when we got him. Now he is a bit frog soar, and I am doing something about that. He used to do 3' hunters, but he wont be doing that until he is in top conditioning and his legs/hooves are doing better. When I do start jumping him again, we will be doing tiny stuff, just 2' tops. We will be doing lots of grid work and such to get him into shape and to get me into shape. (:

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