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    07-17-2012, 12:44 PM
  #11
Foal
Exactly, to get a ribbon. If winning isn't a big deal to you then it shouldn't be a big deal to go in the correct division..if you're there to give your horse experience that's great. But to go in a division to beat little kids is a bit much...most classes are meant for the riders experience, not the horse..there are divisions for green or inexperienced horses. You have to know this particular situation or have been in something similar to really understand the hassle it causes at a show, for show management and those showing.
     
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    07-17-2012, 01:12 PM
  #12
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The better question is, will complaining about it on an internet bulletin board help?

You have two choices in this situation -

1.) Report it to show management, let them deal with it if it's actually a rule violation and accept their judgement. (Many organizations take the view that they can only police *their* shows, they can't police other show circuits.)

2.) Accept that riders showing down a division and showing on a different circuit to be able to show down a division or three is part of showing and move on.

There really aren't a whole lot of other options.
     
    07-17-2012, 02:04 PM
  #13
Foal
No ma'am, the better question now is..have you forgotten where you wrote that response? This is a public forum where people talk anything horse related, there isn't a guideline that says you have to leave out getting people's opinions on things you feel aren't done right. Am I wrong about that? I don't think I am but then again, it's your opinion.

And the following situation(s) (yes, it's happened a few times with different people) has been taken up with show management, and they have taken care of it. It's the job of an exhibitor to follow the rules and not cause problems for show management. It's not the job of those that aren't show management to have to look out for these things.

The show circuits this has happened at both follow the NCHJA rule book, so they are the same rules, just different show circuits. Each show has a description under it and it clearly states what year of showing you have to be in to show in that division.

People get by with that they think they can.

I will state this one time..the point of this thread was to see if it's happened anywhere else, how it was handled, opinions on this happening and how you feel about it, not to be told I should just accept it and move on. It's not very honest to go to a show where people are paying money just to cheat, whatever the reason may be.
     
    07-17-2012, 03:53 PM
  #14
Weanling
I was once disqualified from 3 classes because I was in the 'wrong class'. The classes were "Jr. Western Pleasure" "Jr. Walk Trot" and "Jr. Horsemanship."
Want to know why they disqualified me? Because I was riding my 14hh pony and the classes were supposedly for only horses over 14.2hh. They didn't have any rules that I saw about how tall the horse had to be for those classes, but they DQ'd me anyway. I even asked the lady that was running it about which classes that I could enter, and she said either pony or the age divisions, so apparently she didn't know what she was talking about. I was mad . Didn't get my money back either.
Haven't been to one of their shows again!
Sorry for the rant. Lol!
     
    07-17-2012, 04:10 PM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by DoubleS    
I was once disqualified from 3 classes because I was in the 'wrong class'. The classes were "Jr. Western Pleasure" "Jr. Walk Trot" and "Jr. Horsemanship."
Want to know why they disqualified me? Because I was riding my 14hh pony and the classes were supposedly for only horses over 14.2hh. They didn't have any rules that I saw about how tall the horse had to be for those classes, but they DQ'd me anyway. I even asked the lady that was running it about which classes that I could enter, and she said either pony or the age divisions, so apparently she didn't know what she was talking about. I was mad . Didn't get my money back either.
Haven't been to one of their shows again!
Sorry for the rant. Lol!
I don't know anything about showing western so I have no idea about your situation!!

It's weird that those classes had height requirements, according to them. I would think if it said Jr that it meant age of the rider and/or experience, am I wrong? Like I said, I have no idea about the western world lol
     
    07-17-2012, 08:00 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by LoveMyGoGo    
She does jump 3 ft courses and is past her first four years of showing. I quess you sound sour because you didn't get their entire show history. The entire point was people showing in divisions they aren't suppose to be in..I didn't know you needed their entire show history. People showing other horses for people is fine, as long as they're allowed in that division. People don't pay a lot of money to show in the correct division just to have someone who is not suppose to be in their division showing against them.
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If they aren't supposed to be in that division then you are with in your rights to protest it. Then they look into it and if you are correct they take the placing away.
     
    07-17-2012, 08:05 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by maura    
1.) Report it to show management, let them deal with it if it's actually a rule violation and accept their judgement. (Many organizations take the view that they can only police *their* shows, they can't police other show circuits.)
If it effects you this is what I would do. If it doesn't effect you then it is up to a person in that division to protest it. If you choose not to protest it then you have to accept it.
     
    07-17-2012, 08:53 PM
  #18
Foal
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
If it effects you this is what I would do. If it doesn't effect you then it is up to a person in that division to protest it. If you choose not to protest it then you have to accept it.
I'm with you 100%. It blows my mind with those that play dumb or get defensive when people protest it.
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    07-18-2012, 07:38 AM
  #19
Banned
No, GoGo,

As a moderator of this forum, I'm pretty familiar with what it means to post on a public forum. So yes, you're entitled to post your opinion, complaint, rant, whine, etc., and nothing you posted is anywhere close to violating a forum guideline. Similiarly, any other member is entitled to respond to your post in kind and express their opinion, as long as they stay within the forum guidelines. Not everyone who posts in response will support or agree with your opinion, and that's okay.

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I will state this one time..the point of this thread was to see if it's happened anywhere else, how it was handled, opinions on this happening and how you feel about it.
However, rather than just boldly state my opinion in response, let me try to answer you more specifically.

Yes, it happens all the time, everywhere. Professionals showing as amateurs, phony ponies showing in the wrong height division, people showing "down" a division, ie, some who has won multiple equitiation classes elsewhere showing in a Maiden or Limit class, or in your case a Long Stirrup class.

Yes, I think it's unethical and unsportmanlike. After showing for decades, I guess I'm a little more jaded than you are. I have seen so much worse than this in competition it doesn't arouse much of a passionate response in me.

As far as how it was handled, sorry, the options are still exactly what I told you. If you want any action, you will have to file a protest with the show organization. If it's a USEF rated show, or run according to USEF rules, you have to put up money, usually $200., to file a protest. If your protest is sustanstiated, you get the money back. This is to prevent nuisance or "tattle" protesting. I do not know it you can do so anonymously, I know if you protest someone's amatuer status or the height of a pony, your name is attached to it, and that has the unfortunate effect of keeping people from protesting some pretty flagrant stuff.

So I wish you luck, I hope the cheating competitor is reported and prevented from doing this again. If I had students in the same class at the correct level of experience for the division, I'd be pretty ticked off.

Here's a link to the rulebook for your association -

Rules

A brief glance at them shows the process for filing greivance (It's under Section 3, Hearing Committee) and yes, you can file one if you believe a competitor is ineligible to compete. There's no mention of a fee to do so, so maybe that doesn't apply to all affiliate or local show organizations.
     
    07-18-2012, 08:34 AM
  #20
Foal
Yup.

At a schooling show, which is the shows I go to, you just let show management know. At rated shows what you talked about is how it's done. I don't have to personally have to worry with such issues since I do not jump at shows, or I would go to more then just a schooling show. I show in a flat division open to anyone.
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