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post #1 of 8 Old 06-08-2010, 10:05 PM Thread Starter
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Question 2-ring double jointed elevator (happy mouth) bit

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After recently switching to jumpers, we changed my horse to a 2-ring, double jointed elevator bit. I was just wondering what you guys thought of it, so feel free to share your thoughts and opinions!

I'm a little weary of it, sometimes my horse will shake his head, or take a minute to open his mouth for it, but my trainer claims he's just irritated that I have more control. I just want to make sure it isn't a severe bit or anything. I've tried a couple google searches but didn't come up with much. I figured that since it's a happy mouth it's at least comfy for him to hold in his mouth, but I want to be sure it isn't causing discomfort.

One last thing, on the left side corner of his mouth he has a teeny tiny rub mark that looks like a raw sore. I started putting fura-zone on it but was wondering what could be causing this. He has rubber bit guards so...?

Any comments are appreciated! Thanks!
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Elevators are pretty severe bits. They're fine on the right horse with the right rider, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone who doesn't know what they're doing. It's a leverage bit, so you have to have really soft hands and be mindful that your horse is feeling more pressure than you're putting on the reins. It also has a sliding action, so when you're putting pressure on the reins, it raises the mouthpiece toward the horse's palette and puts pressure on the poll as well. It could be that he's just getting used to it and he'll settle down eventually. Your trainer could be right and he's just mad that you have more control. My horse was like that when I first put him in a kimberwick, but he quit pouting after a few days. I'd wait a few more rides and see if your horse gets used to it, but if he still seems uncomfortable after that, I'd try a different bit.

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Alright thanks for the information! I didn't quite understand how it worked, but I have been doing my research

I can't say I'm entirely thrilled with this bit; It comes in handy when I need him off my hands, or when he tries to blow through my hands, but he isn't a hot horse at all. I noticed he only shakes his head when we do a really tight turn, and I use more hand then leg. In other words, it's my fault. He's been in this bit for about a month now, so I would think he has had time to get used to it. But, like I said, he only seems irriated in that kind of situation.

What would some signs of discomfort be that I can look out for?

I'm sad to say, that my trainer can sometimes be stubborn, and earlier told me that the slow twist wasn't severe...WTH? I'll admit that was only temporary, but I know that was NOT a mild bit! So, I can't entirely trust her on this...

Let's say this isn't the right bit...any other suggestions? Oh, and any tips for dealing with an adamant trainer? LOL! (she really is great though )

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Okay guys so here's the deal:

I talked to my trainer and she wasn't very happy with me LOL...but too bad After harassing her she told me she had a waterford d in her locker. I've been researching a TON and for once I actually like what I see!

It appears that it is mild, but is it comfy for the horse to hold in their mouth? Just seems like so many bumps haha! But anyway, thought I would mention some of our problems are he is sometimes heavy and likes to run through my hands. Would this help? Oh yeah we do jumpers by the way, so would this be an appropriate bit? I plan on researching more, until I'm fully educated (something I should have done in the past), and because she has the bit at the barn I can test it out and she how he goes without paying. (something else I should have done in the past before buying this other bit)

Sooo, what can you guys tell me about the waterford? Thanks!
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I posted in your thread about the waterford - but I hadn't seen this and I have a few questions.

What bit was he ridden in before the elevator? Did you jump in any other bit before trying the elevator? What reason did your trainer give for switching bits in the first place? Were there any obvious issues with the last bit?


Rubber bit guards are more useful for preventing the bit from sliding through the horses mouth then preventing rubs, IMO. I've seen horses get the skin of the lips rubbed in the small gap between the rubber and the bit - this may be your issue. You could try taking the bit guards off, making sure your bit is either not a loose ring, or if it is, make sure it isn't too small - And if you have issues with the bit sliding through the mouth, try using a curb strap on the snaffle ring - Does the same job.

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Just read your post!

He was previously in a slow twist (temporaily) and I hated it! Before that he was in a d-ring snaffle. No problem really, but we switched to the slow twist for a little while to try to get him to stop running through my hands, then switched back to the d-ring, then said I would need the leverage for jumpers. Something along those lines...

Oh, and thanks for the bit guard suggestion!
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Replied in the waterford thread :]

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