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        10-12-2008, 02:36 PM
    any ideas on bits ? please help !

    My thoroughbred listens to seat VERY well . And he's in a full cheek snaffle , but sometimes he needs a little bit more . I don't want to use a chain on him though . Does anyone know of any more bits that have a slight twist possibly ? Im trying to use a slight stronger bit without a chain . But im using ALL LEG and ALL SEAT on him so we both don't have to depend on a chain or a bit to slow him down .

    Please help !
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        10-12-2008, 05:50 PM
    If your horse is basically good with his aids and your current bit then I would try a training fork before changing bits. It will give a little more bite to your bit rather then going harsher.

    Personally I think too many riders rely on their bits rather then training. It becomes a quicker fix then training and as the horse becomes accustomed to the new bit and runs through it, then a harsher bid is tried. The well trained horse should only need a simple snaffle and any other bit is to give more finesse to your aids. Anyway, that's my $.02.
        10-12-2008, 07:06 PM
    I don't believe in harsh bits . I also believe that too many riders depend on their bit to stop their horse .
    That's why I use ALL LEG and ALL SEAT . Thank you though . I'll try a training fork and i'll see how it works .
        10-12-2008, 11:10 PM
    Green Broke
    I would recommend against a training fork or running martingale. If not used properly, your horse can build up the wrong muscles and learn to depend on it. It can also really change how bit pressure is applied in the mouth.

    If he needs more, try a full cheek with a copper roller. Like THIS ONE. The copper will help soften his mouth for a better response and the double joint will help give clearer communication (it makes the bit lay flatter in the horse's mouth, which cues more nerve endings).

    When he doesn't respond to the bit, put him in a tight circle until he's at the speed you want, then go on with your ride. Circle him each time he rushes or doesn't slow/stop the way you want, changing directions of the circle every time. Praise him for stopping or slowing properly. It shouldn't take him long to figure it out .
        10-13-2008, 08:28 AM
    Another way of looking at it- if he responds very well to your seat (I'm assumimg he moves off with the lightest of aids etc?) then perhaps his lack of response to the bit is pain? My OTTB had a similar problem, turns out the nutcracker action of a regular snaffle didn't agree with him, so I put him in a bit similar to the KK Sprenger (2 joints) and he works a lot better.
        10-13-2008, 09:13 AM
    Green Broke
    Good point Chiefie! It would be good to have the vet check his teeth, and pull out any wolf teeth that are still in there.
        10-13-2008, 09:51 AM
    I actually don't really like martingales, because well they do build up to depend on it , and I do as well . I am using one of my trainers bits with a copper roller just like the picture that luvs2ride1979 showed me . He does respond to seat VERY well . So im trying to use the lightest aides on his mouth, and make him DEPEND on my seat and legs .

    He isnt showing any responses to pain . We have had the vet look at his teeth and he has excellent teeth , and we've had him floated .
    But thanks you guys ! I'll let you all know how he is with the copper roller !
    I just HATE using harsh bits . He's the type of horse that lets you know when you're messing with his mouth and he doesnt like his mouth being pulled on and all . So that's a good thing; to me . Because once you start depending on the rein and bit to slow and stop your horse . You TOTALLY forget your legs and seat are the best things to use!
        10-13-2008, 11:04 AM
    Green Broke
    So why not just remind him that the bit is there? Don't snatch his face off or anything, but enough to say "hello - still up here". If he's blowing off your seat and leg, and you're looking for a more aggressive bit to fix it, why not touch the one you have now? (Just to school him a bit - make the lightbulb go off...)

        10-21-2008, 02:42 PM
    We think one of his problems could be his teeth. He's never been floated and we have an appointment with the dentist next monday so hopefully that will help!

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