You just missed this one but it might have been perfect depending on what shape/width your horse is. Coventry ccs tend to be really forward like this. Made in England. Costs $250 or so to have a saddler add padded flaps to it, so it it works and is cheap, another $250 might still not be overpaying. Coventry, Campbell, Whitman brand names are older saddles but their ccs were forward. http://cgi.ebay.com/English-Saddle-a...item414c3c8e8e
Thank you Tack Collector. You've been so helpful. I really appreciate all the input.
The Collegiate is a 17" I think. It looks like there's a fair bit of room in the back. Example A:
I don't think I want to jump higher than 3 feet. I think 3 feet is about the maximum I would ever want to go, however, I do want a close contact saddle just because I feel like my AP puts my leg in a weird position when I jump and I don't feel super secure or balanced in it over fences.
Thanks for the craigslist tip! I'd always wondered how to search the entirety of it.
I have a few more questions:
Is the picture you posted your HDR? I really like the looks of it.
What did you think about the Stubben Camelot? I don't think it has knee blocks, but that's the only negative thing I've heard about it.
I like the Inflex. I have been researching Toulouses and the one complaint people had about them is that the leather is "too soft" and doesn't hold up well to wear and tear. That would bother me a bit. It seems like a good deal for the price though. So that one has a more forward flap?
Oh and here's a picture of my Collegiate without me in it.
Well, I am actually a saddleseat rider who switched from APs to CCs for hunt seat flat riding b/c I mostly could not stand all that AP bulk, lol. So I don't jump. But I have a long thigh, and that gives me some of the same probs trying to find a cc that I likes. I finally settled on the Stubben Edleweiss CS as perfect for me. Forward flap but short. Twist is perfect, too. Too many ccs had a real narrow twist that was uncomfortable for me.
Yes that's the HDR Pro cc XL that I posted. If you read reviews of it online at tackreview.com, you'll see complaints that HDRs are too forward in the flap. I wasn't wild about that particular saddle. Based on what I know fits me now, I'd probably get along better with a Rivella. That particular HDR has a wide twist. And no a really well defined sweet spot that I could find. The seat just felt odd, like I was perched on top of it and it wasn't helping me any. The girl I sold it to loves it. The Collegiate Laureate didn't have a wide twist but was another saddle that felt odd to me b/c I also couldn't find the sweet spot in that seat, although it looks like it ought to have one if you look at it from the side. You just have to try them and see what fits you anatomy, I guess.
The Camelot didn't seem all that much farther forward to me. If it works, you could have a saddler add Velcro for $75 or so and then use $40 Bates leather covered blocks as knee blocks.
Haven't seen or tried a Toulouse. Search posts at Horse Grooming Forum. They were discussed a few times there.
Lots of the newer saddles are really soft leather that you need to use breeches with because it won't hold up to jeans. The Collegiate Diploma is really soft and "scuffy" like that.
Since your Collegiate is a 17", I'd say don't go below that b/c 1) a 16.5" is more more difficult to resell fast without taking a loss, 17" is a real popular size, and 2) you are tall and if you gain weight or change as you get older, then you'll want the extra length. 17" looks right for you now. 17.5" might be more future-proof.
I ride in jeans most of the time. I hate riding in breeches and only do it when I show - which is rare. So I definitely don't want a soft and "scuffy" saddle.
I had no clue that 16.5" saddles were hard to resell. I'm 21, so I'm fully grown. I'm probably not going to gain any weight. My genes have spoken loud and clear and I think I'm destined to remain super skinny for the rest of my life. I'm actually fighting against losing weight right now. Oh the ironies of life. But you're right. I should probably stick with a 17" - just in case. ;P
So I don't need an XL flap, so much as I need a more forward flap? Or should I try to look for both? I don't know what kind of twist I like, I'm quite a newbie to the tack world, so I'm just trying to gather as much information as I can. I can't believe you know so much about saddles. It's mind boggling!
I think you're right that I'm just going to have to start trying saddles and see what I like. There's a tack store about 45 minutes away from my house that has a bunch of nice english saddles for consignment, and they let you take them for week-long trials. I should maybe do that a few times I guess.
I did find this saddle. It has an extra long flap and I've heard nothing but good things about Crosbys.
That one (280453964599) looks forward enough. Just so it isn't too short in the seat. My Prix a 17" and it feels a little big to me when I am down to summer weight, but I got a real deal on it so that's why I have a 17".
@ Romantic Lyric - I am have a long thigh, too. Less expensive & great option is Dover Circuit Elite (older, though - the new ones have problems) for more money, the Butet Premium offers a very forward flap for us!