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        05-08-2014, 07:11 AM
      #1
    Foal
    Bandage Liners? DIY?

    Hi everyone!

    I have been looking into bandage liners and I just have a few questions about them. These are the ones I have been looking at: https://www.smartpakequine.com/eskad...e-liners-7802p

    1. Can you use just plain polo wraps over them?
    2. Do they provide more protection (I'm hesitant to say support) if you use them in combination with polos?
    3. I have heard that they help to distribute pressure evenly and help with any uneven wrapping of a polo or bandage. This sounds accurate, is it true?
    4. I have been using SMB boots for a while now and I don't mind using them in the spring and fall but in the summer they retain SO MUCH heat and that worries me. I'm thinking this combination (liners + polos) would be a bit cooler than neoprene, what do you think?
    5. Lastly, I was wondering if these would be easy enough to DIY at home, they seem rather simple, unless there is a special material that is used. Anyone know what material could be used to make something like this?

    If anyone could answer any of these questions I would be so grateful! Or if you have an opinion on the liners themselves, not necessarily this brand but in general, that would be great as well!
         
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        05-08-2014, 10:01 AM
      #2
    Yearling
    I have never used "liners' under regular polo wraps nor seen anyone do this either.
    I would be concerned with twisting and bunching under a "elastic" fabric such as polos, also taking away some of the support it sounds like you are searching for.

    Now, your exact product under saratoga bandages are a match of intent and purpose.
    Saratoga bandages though are not quite the same as polo wraps...
    https://www.smartpakequine.com/saratoga-bandages-321p

    Never seen nor heard of anyone placing them under any SMB...kind of loses the purpose and could create more warmth with extra layers under those kind of boots wouldn't it?
    I thought one of the features of the SMB boot is the breath-ability factor...
    Any excessive exercise and anatomy covered is going to create a heating source and point...
    A major cooling area of the horse is their legs so covering them during strenuous exercise...= sweat time.

    I would be cold-hosing my horses legs regardless after a work-out that makes them sweat that much anyhow to remove the irritating sweat from the skin and any dirt accumulation besides brushing and cleaning those legs and boots/wraps thoroughly.

    Here is a link to a previous thread from a few years ago dealing with some of your questions and products wishing to use... hope maybe it gives you some insight and answers.
    Boots vs Polos .... Here is the Professional's Choice SMB study from 1998 ...

    jmo.
         
        05-08-2014, 10:12 AM
      #3
    Trained
    Don't try to DIY these. The construction of the eskadron liners is meant to wick away the sweat and heat.

    I use them under polos every time I wrap. Unless you are knowledgeable about wrapping don't use these as you can bunch them and cause issues.

    In the dressage scene, this is all that is used horselovinguy... And neither polos or SMBs provide any support (this from peer reviewed studies - and not manufacturers websites). Nor are SMBs at all even remotely breathable.

    The liners will provide more protection to the legs than polos.

    All that I use are polos with the liners and for a light workout I will use boots (specifically breathable moisture wicking ones, SMBs will never touch a horse of mine), but even the most breathable boots heat up too much. It is also a good idea to work with bare legs on the hottest days if possible.

    Good luck!
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        05-08-2014, 10:36 AM
      #4
    Yearling
    Anabel...

    Those liners don't twist with the regular polo material?

    I was under the impression that there were "form fitting" liners and regular liners like quilts...form fitted didn't twist, regular ones unless super competent in applying did...

    Obviously, not a dressage rider here... know I have never had the need to apply such supportive equipment to this degree to my horses.

    I was taught that those wraps and boots become a crutch to the horses anatomy during conditioning/training and unless a must not to use them since when I was competing legs had to be bare of anything.

    Learned something new, thanks!
         
        05-08-2014, 10:37 AM
      #5
    Super Moderator
    In the UK we mostly always use a liner under a leg bandage - and the typical bandages are more stretchy than the polo wraps I see here - so I get my father in law to post me supplies over. A good liner should even the pressure of a bandage and not fold or get crumpled in any way. These are about the closest I can find here to the ones I'm used too. If they come too long I cut them to size and re-stitch the edge
    https://www.smartpakequine.com/foam-...-no-bows-1533p
    All horse owners should learn how to bandage legs even if just for emergencies - its not rocket science especially if young pony club members can do it correctly
         
        05-08-2014, 11:07 AM
      #6
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by horselovinguy    
    Anabel...

    Those liners don't twist with the regular polo material?

    I was under the impression that there were "form fitting" liners and regular liners like quilts...form fitted didn't twist, regular ones unless super competent in applying did...

    Obviously, not a dressage rider here... know I have never had the need to apply such supportive equipment to this degree to my horses.

    I was taught that those wraps and boots become a crutch to the horses anatomy during conditioning/training and unless a must not to use them since when I was competing legs had to be bare of anything.

    Learned something new, thanks!
    Polos do not provide support, and so unfortunately are not a crutch no way would a 1/8" thick piece of fabric hold up 1500lbs of horseflesh, it's simply common sense.
    The reason to boot is because when the tendon is loaded, if something strikes it, it can completely disintegrate. So a little padding and protection is useful.

    When wrapped poorly, the liners will bunch. Like anything it must be done correctly to serve it's purpose - such is the essence of dressage.
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        05-08-2014, 02:27 PM
      #7
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    In the UK we mostly always use a liner under a leg bandage - and the typical bandages are more stretchy than the polo wraps I see here - so I get my father in law to post me supplies over. A good liner should even the pressure of a bandage and not fold or get crumpled in any way. These are about the closest I can find here to the ones I'm used too. If they come too long I cut them to size and re-stitch the edge
    https://www.smartpakequine.com/foam-...-no-bows-1533p
    All horse owners should learn how to bandage legs even if just for emergencies - its not rocket science especially if young pony club members can do it correctly
    So you can use no bows under polos (or the type of wrap you use)? I've only ever seen no bows used with standing wraps but that's just me. There is a lot of info being said here and its all so contradictory haha! Thanks a lot though for helping!

    A friend of mine used to make pillow wraps for shipping so that was why I was asking if the liners would be easy enough to make myself.

    Also, I meant I thought the liner/polo combo would be cooler than just the SMB. There is NO WAY I would put another layer under those SMB boots, they are just so hot on their own, and that is why I am looking for an alternative. My horse also has some scar tissue on one leg that in no way hinders his performance, and it was from when he was a foal. However, it does make boot fitting kinda hard and I don't find I really get a good custom fit. That's why I was looking to move more to polos. I just wanted something with a bit more protection (hence the liner) as he has popped his splint before and I'm not sure regular polos on their own would be enough protection if we are doing lateral movements where he is more liable to knock his front legs accidentally. Because of the splint issue I always put some kind of boot on, I'm just looking for the best option. I do have splint boots as well but I like the look of polos I guess, and I was just trying to explore my options.
         
        05-08-2014, 02:49 PM
      #8
    Super Moderator
    I never saw anything other than 'no bow wraps' for use under bandages in the UK - though they might have them now. The bandage should be firmly on to secure the pad in place and to not slip on itself - you don't want any bulges under the bandage to cause pressure which would to me be the risk in anything with bows or even velcro
    I can't comment on the wraps you posted the link too because I've never seen them for real but I did order some quilted ones when we first came here that have sat in a drawer ever since because they wrinkled up way too much - even pressure is so important
    I've jumped horses that had sensitive skin that rubbed 'for something to do' in bandages back in the day when all you could get was very rigid leather ones
    I did order some boots recently that were supposed to keep the legs cool and I must say they did work very well for that but Jazzy must have managed to knock herself slightly and ripped a great chunk out of one of them so obviously not very strong and I also felt that they left some vulnerable parts exposed- but it does go to show that leg protection has a purpose when you're asking a horse to perform movements that can sometimes end up in a leg knot situation and a slight knock that could otherwise put them off work for weeks or even longer
         
        05-08-2014, 02:52 PM
      #9
    Trained
    I would not use no bows under polos as they are liable to slip when the horse is in work.

    I use the Eskadron liners, and if you look at warm up photos of most of the top riders, that is also what they use. No bows are not designed for when the horse is exercising.
         
        05-08-2014, 02:56 PM
      #10
    Trained
    I have only wrapped with quilts for transport, NEVER used them for a workout. I like them for really long trips, otherwise I use shipping boots for the hour drive to the farrier.
    Anabel, You are right--if you do not know how to properly wrap the support is uneven and they can slip. Frankly, I couldn't ever see myself riding with polos--what if they came undone while riding? Horrors!!
         

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