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post #11 of 34 Old 06-19-2011, 12:16 AM
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Bubba, one of the main reasons why I suggested the snaffle is because they are much more effective than a curb at lateral softening and it's easier to re-train a horse to bend in them. Not to mention that if you can ride a horse in a mild snaffle, they can go in just about anything and go with less cueing.

I do agree on that last curb you posted with the billy allen mouth though. I have one of those and my horse loves it.

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post #12 of 34 Old 06-19-2011, 12:19 AM Thread Starter
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What is the last bit called as I havent ever seen this bit before?

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Wonder bit has gag (and loads of it), which means a lot of lift, but not much stop, and also slow action. You want fast, immediate action, for quick cues and quick reward. Like you said, you can use the Wonder bit as a regular O-ring snaffle if you choose, but it's not a good substitute for an Argentine (the bit I posted).
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Here is a link to that last bit.

Antique Low Port Hinged Futurity Bit | Pet Supplies, Horse Supplies, Dog Supplies | KVsupply.com

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And the reason I'm not so keen on a snaffle with a running-through-the-bit barrel horse is that the tendency is going to be to puuuuuuull them to a stop when they fight. They're already bit-sour, and this can just compound the problem and toughen their mouths up even more. It's been my experience that they're far more apt to respond to the curb, as they've been trained in and are used to its pressure.

Of course, it's not like there's a definite right or wrong way to go about this. I've just had a fair amount of personal experience with this very thing and have found this method to be effective....but in the end, whatever works, works.
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Yes, she does have a hard mouth which I think takes softening. I think I have a bit similar to that one. I actually tried it on a simple down and back run and she still had a wide turn but I definitely felt a difference as she did slow down and turn a little better. The only difference is it is a longer shank not a short shank.

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I wouldn't pull straight on a running through the bit horse in a snaffle OR curb. I would work on softening laterally and only use one rein to stop/rate for a while until they learn they can't run through the bit, they have to soften.

OP - I agree with Smrobs about putting him back in a snaffle for a while (not forever) and doing the above. I also agree with whoever said to get her out on trails and doing some different exercises that still utilize skills you use on the pattern. Give her mind a break and do some new things - running every weekend is a lot for any horse and some horses get wound up in the head. Trail rides give them a chance to unwind a bit - especially if you can lope along on a loose rein - it's nice to give them a chance to stretch out and run sometime other than at a show or on a pattern. It is also a good chance to work on rate and body control at faster speeds but without the pressure or time constraints.
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I tried a snaffle this morning on her and all we did was walk. She stops fine still as I use my legs to stop her. I went on a trail ride also and she did good...My problem came when I was trying to soften her at the poll. She grabs the bit and instead of giving into the pressure like other horses I have ridden, she would hold on and pull against it. I did no barrel work what so ever and even took them completely down and out of the arena. I ended up getting frustrated after asking nicely for her head and she still refused to give it. Im not sure what else I can do..I don't think she is a mean horse and she wont take off with me if I don't ask her to go fast and she stops fine...but she just refuses to soften up.

I feel completely stuck...

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Might try a short session of bitting her back so that you don't end up losing your temper with her.
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I agree with bitting up - I do this on Scooby when he wants to be fussy. It is much easier to bit him up, loose at first, and then lunge him and let him fight himself. I listen to my ipod and let him figure it out. Then when he softens, I tighten it up and let him figure out where his head needs to be to get a release from pressure.

Scooby also gets hot with a lot of barrel drills. I spent this week just walk/whoa and jog/whoa, serpentines and circles. I kept my reins loose and we ride in a snaffle, and if he didn't listen to a verbal whoa and seat cue then I followed with the reins and backed a few steps then repeated. We also do trail rides as well - lots of good advice from everybody about letting her relax under saddle by staying away from the speed and pressure. I go to a barrel clinic every Monday, and some of the horses there are nut jobs - too much speed, too much pressure, they just bolt away from it... rearing, jumping, running out of the bridle - all signs of too much speed work.
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