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    07-16-2010, 02:22 AM
  #51
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Originally Posted by wild_spot    
Firstly - This thread is oooold. The most recent post except for the last two is from March 2009 - I daresay the issue has been resolved.
Oh! Wondered why I didn't remember the thread! I just got an email that there was a reply, so went to thread without looking at dates!

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Secondly - I have NEVER stepped up to a harsher bit on any of my horses, and in no way think a bit is a shortcut that will replace good training and a healthy happy horse. I think I put more effort in that most into ensuring my horses are happy...
Not sure that you do disagree with me so much WS, or whether it was just the way I managed to put it. The subject is something that I(obviously) feel very strongly about, so perhaps came across that I was having a go at you &/or everyone, tho I tried to only say what I meant clearly without being particular(except about the 'bored of same bits' comment. I quoted that bit from you WS because, as I said, I didn't understand what you thought was harsh, especially as I had an idea that you have similar opinions to me on the matter. I wasn't in the least picking on you. Or OP for that matter, just trying to emphasise an alternative attitude/opinion.

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I have never reccomended a harsher bit to anybody on this forum and never will. ...However - The OP made clear through successive posts that she HAS checked for pain, she has taken this horse back to basics, etc. ..... Being a rider who has never had the means to ride under a trainer and having to self-educate,...
Yes, I realise you wouldn't suggest a 'harsher' bit & that the OP didn't literally ask for this either. But the reason for her questions illustrated that she wanted a device to stop her horse instantly, as the existing bit didn't. That to me says that regardless what she imagines, what she's really asking for is a stronger bit. So my post was attempting to emphasise the need for continuing to look for better alternatives & not settling for mechanics.

I appreciate she was given (some, but)little good advice & had tried lots already. I should have acknowledged what she had done so far, which I agree was good. Sorry OP! I am also one who has had very little opportunity/means to get help from professionals, so appreciate that may be a lack of option.

Anyway, hope that's made it a little clearer than mud! As this is also old hat, I sincerely hope you've now resolved the problems well OP and are onto a good thing with your horse, whether you have a similar opinion to me or not
     
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    07-16-2010, 11:11 AM
  #52
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"But the reason for her questions illustrated that she wanted a device to stop her horse instantly, as the existing bit didn't. That to me says that regardless what she imagines, what she's really asking for is a stronger bit."

While I appreciate the apology, sometimes it's best not to jump to conclusions. In my time that I spent on the forum, I think that I proved myself fairly knowledgeable about horses. I didn't say a stronger bit, nor is that what I switched to - we ended up in a frenk-link with copper rollers to distribute my cues a little more evenly, and to keep her attention/give her something to do with the rollers. It worked, no thanks to this thread. :P I ended up just buying every snaffle I could find in her size and seeing what she liked best.

To me, switching bits isn't "settling for mechanics" - on a bit-trained horse, a bit is a necessary piece of equipment. I wouldn't want to listen either if I hated/was bored with/wasn't understand the cues from my bit.

Anyway, this thread is pretty well over, but I think if you're going to offer advice, it's better to ask questions ("Have you checked for pain? If you have ruled out everything else, try [insert bit that has worked for you here.]") than to assume that someone hasn't tried everything before asking for help.

That's just how I feel about it, I guess.

Anywho - Daisy's fine now, if anyone was wondering.
     
    07-03-2011, 02:41 PM
  #53
Foal
I read your posts about having difficulty stopping your horse and had to sign up immediately!! I have a wonderful 5 yrd old mare I have had since she was a baby. Most of her training has been done by me but I have had her with two "real" trainers when she was younger. She has always been fast, REALLY fast, in the gallop. She seems to have never acquired a 3rd gear (i.e. No canter/lope). I didn't mind her speed so much until the last few months. She is boarded somewhere new now where there is great room to run in open spots between trails. She just loves it!! But getting her to stop is a task!! I have read all your posts, the responses, and I feel like I am in your boat. Have tried everything. Like you, ground manners very good, great in round pen. Can W/T/C fine in round pen. Listens to whoa. Not a problem. The minute we get out in the open, she completely tunes it out. I have even had someone else ride her recently who is a great horseman (and much larger/stronger than me). He had an awful time getting her stopped. Her bit is a snaffle..same one she's had and done fine with for years. I am at my wits end with her!!
     

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