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    05-14-2012, 11:41 AM
  #11
Showing
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Originally Posted by Hailey1203    
So, I've done some research, and what was recommended to me was a french link baucher. Any opinions on this bit?
Well french links (3 jointed) are less direct on the horse's bars and roof of their mouth.. they work off of tongue.

Not familiar with the "baucher" though.

You say you want to jump and do flat but the loose ring snaffle isn't cutting it.

He's leaning into the bit. Maybe to try and steal the reins, maybe the snaffle isn't comfortable in his mouth.

If you can, try out different bits until you find one that works, then buy it.

I would start with a french link snaffle, then if that doesn't work try oval link and if that doesn't work try myler and if that doesn't work, then you should try your french link baucher since it seems to have 2 reins? I'm not sure.

Dover has an amazing exchange program. I recommend starting there. Make sure to measure your horse's mouth.
     
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    05-14-2012, 11:49 AM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
Well french links (3 jointed) are less direct on the horse's bars and roof of their mouth.. they work off of tongue.

Not familiar with the "baucher" though.

You say you want to jump and do flat but the loose ring snaffle isn't cutting it.

He's leaning into the bit. Maybe to try and steal the reins, maybe the snaffle isn't comfortable in his mouth.

If you can, try out different bits until you find one that works, then buy it.

I would start with a french link snaffle, then if that doesn't work try oval link and if that doesn't work try myler and if that doesn't work, then you should try your french link baucher since it seems to have 2 reins? I'm not sure.

Dover has an amazing exchange program. I recommend starting there. Make sure to measure your horse's mouth.
Gosh, im starting to think I should just message you directly to answer my questions! You seem to know everything. I'll definitely try out a bunch of different bits, the kimberwick works well, but I honestly feel like im cheating a little.
     
    05-14-2012, 11:52 AM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Hailey1203    
Gosh, im starting to think I should just message you directly to answer my questions! You seem to know everything. I'll definitely try out a bunch of different bits, the kimberwick works well, but I honestly feel like im cheating a little.
LOL hardly, I'm just learning same as you

But no seriously I had the same exactly problem and I recently switched him from plain snaffle to a french link and he loooooves it. He's so soft and happy and content.. not bracey and chompy and heavy.

But my original plan was try the french link, then if that sucks return it and try an oval link, if that doesn't work then a myler, and if that didn't work I'd probably go with a happy mouth.

I don't jump, just flat and my horse's mouth is extremely sensitive so we wouldn't do good with two sets of reins.

But really, each horse has their own preference for bits. Some are thick, some are thin. Some work different parts of the horse's mouth. Some horses don't even like bits.

It's best to try different things. Thicker pieces aren't as "harsh" as thinner pieces but too thick may not be good for the build of the horse's mouth. Some horses have high palates (high roof of mouth distance) and some have shallow. Some have parrot mouth, etc.

Do you see where I'm going with this? :P
     
    05-14-2012, 11:53 AM
  #14
Weanling
Yup! Its going to be mostly trial and error. I'm going to ask a few horsey friends of they have different kinds of bits that I can try out. And we'll see what works best!
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    05-14-2012, 01:46 PM
  #15
Started
Trial and error for sure. Like a few people have suggested, going back to basics and working on really riding the horse without fighting in a simple snaffle can be the answer to the question.

Also - some horses DO like a single joint snaffle over a double joint (french link, lozenge, etc.) so don't automatically rule it out especially if you have one you can borrow and ride in for a bit. I hope there are plenty of "extra" bits around for you to try.

Lastly - some horses take a few rides before they settle into a bit so if you get the same response to a new bit as you've been getting before, don't automatically write it off. ;)

Good luck!
     
    05-15-2012, 08:46 PM
  #16
Super Moderator
Did you check his mouth? If he has the melanomas and they're causing this issue, no amount of training/retraining is going to lighten him up unfortunately.

I do love bauchers. I think they are fantastic bits. The baucher part or hanging part of the snaffle makes it so the bit doesn't jiggle around as much in the horse's mouth. Their movement is much more predictable to the horse and some horses adore them.
My mare loves her solid low-ported baucher. :)
There is a common misconception around about bauchers that they'll cause a slight amount of poll pressure causing the horse to lighten up or "give" to the bit better. That is incorrect. Nothing about the mechanics of a baucher (unless the rein rings were shaped differently than they are) will cause poll pressure.
I wasn't sure so I tried it out with my baucher and sure enough, no poll pressure even if I pulled hard on the reins.

Anyway, Give it a try, your guy might really like the solid feel a baucher provides. :)

Another bit I might try, if the baucher doesn't work, is some kind of mullen mouth/low ported snaffle. The solidness of it might be something he likes.
     
    05-16-2012, 10:26 AM
  #17
Weanling
[QUOTE=Wallaby;1501757]Did you check his mouth? If he has the melanomas and they're causing this issue, no amount of training/retraining is going to lighten him up unfortunately.

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Had the vet out to check and its not melanomas fortuntely!

So i'll try a few different bits and see what works best :)
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    05-16-2012, 10:49 AM
  #18
Weanling
If the Kimberwicke is working so well, I think I would just stick with it and work my way down to the least possible leverage with it and THEN look for something new. If you're currently riding with the reins on the lowest slot, with a somewhat snugly adjusted chain, you could move up to the upper slot for a while, and then work on loosening the chain a bit, etc. I don't think its really 'cheating' to use a bit that works for your horse, regardless of what the bit is.

Another option is to use the kimberwicke for your lessons (it sounds to me like your instructor is trying to have you work on your equitation before working on the horse) so that you're not fighting the horse while you're trying to learn, but work on several schooling rides a week with a milder bit. Whatever you do, I hope you get it worked out soon!
Kathy
     
    05-24-2012, 11:18 AM
  #19
Weanling
My trainer wants me to try a D-ring sanffle. So that's what im riding in tonight. I'll let you know how it goes :)
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    05-25-2012, 01:36 PM
  #20
Weanling
Well, it wasnt bad. Just different, it was much harder to get him to collect, and by the end of it my arms were sore :/
     

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