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    11-20-2011, 07:50 AM
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Foal
Question Bit help!!

Currently, I am using a normal western shank bit. A plain jane I would say. Normal jointed port. The ration i'd say wold be approx 1:3 as I don't have it close at hand, but from using my fingers its fairly close. It has a normal angle, not severely angled, but not straight. I am wanting to upgrade to a new bit that allows me to use less rein pressure to stop, and that MAY help to keep my horses head low. When I hack him, I use a pelham, and if he's naughty, use the bottom rein, which is a straight up/down shank angle. But I don't want a straight angled bit for western. I also want a port that may have a swivel/copper piece to help with salivation as he muches on the bit like you wouldn't beleive, as well as tries to grab the shanks and leather (he's naughty and has attitude, but when he works he's wonderful) I was recetly at Equitana, and a western trainer (name eludes me).. basically he mentioned having something in the horses mouth to make it salivate and keep mouth moist, and a sign of dryness is mouth opening... which he does, and often I put my finger in his mouth and its dry and cold, where as it should be moist and warm from saliva.
Anyway, I read bit sticky article, and have a better understanding, but want to know the type of bit that would be best. Ideally I am trying to score a few bits to test on him, so see which ones works for us. Im from Australia, so western stuff is hard to find. I compete in State/National level and regional level in appaloosa clubs.. in Western Pleasure, Horsemanship/Equitataion and Trail. Have yet to venture to reining/riding, but prefer the slow events, as I see more elegance in them for me and my boy. "jasper" is a just 8 year old gelding by Test of Time, so has attitude to boot. ANY HELP! Would be great
     
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    11-20-2011, 01:01 PM
  #2
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I'm having trouble picturing exactly the kind of bit you're using and what you want--and some of it sounds more like a training issue than a bit issue--but for the things you say you want, you might look into something like this:

Coolhorse: Sale! Professional's Choice Ranger Ported Billy Allen Bit


Or

Teskey's Saddle Shop: Myler Bit - 7" Cavalry Shank w/Sweet Iron Comfort Snaffle
     
    11-20-2011, 02:20 PM
  #3
Started
This is hands down my favorite western bit.. Francois Gauthier Antique Low Port Hinged Futurity Bit Port-Low Bits Western HorseLoverZ.com


     
    11-20-2011, 06:11 PM
  #4
Foal
Thanks. Those bits acually lok exactly like I was picturing, the different variations that Im trying to get so I can try and test them. Yes, you are probably right about the training issue more than a bit issue, but the bit, from what I understand, is more of a starting bit, used for green horses and horses moving from a snaffle bit to a curb bit/shank bit. I originally got my bit for my other gelding, who at the time was 10 and never trained in western, but showed all the great strides and temperament, and he responded well, though he relied solely on my seat and legs. He was one of those horses you could lope around on with no hands and he would be set in frame and speed. Where as my new horse, competition of 2 years (sadly my first boy had to be put down)is a horse that is just fresh from his snaffle bit years, with limited experience for an 8 year old. WHo plays with his bit and tounge over, bitting reins etc. SO yes, probably more training would help, and I always will be training, I just think a different, more advanced bit would be the best option, to help remove some of the bit related antics he does, as well as provide me with more of an edge when I do use my reins. I feel like I have to pull him with the reins to stop, turning is easy, neck reining. And from what I understand, a straighter shank allows for a more sensitive bit realease and hold action. (word eludes me) but I mean, the amount of pressure and rein I pick up when I stop, rein back or infact hold during classes etc. At present I am constantly changing the length, from long to shorter, to one rein half halts. WHich work, but don't look right. As my bit is a normal jointed mouthpiece, it also has a snapping action, and works as one, rather than two reins. Hopfully I can get some bits to test and practice with. But the samples given have helped, so know atleast I have some images to reference to.

Cheers Amy
     
    11-20-2011, 07:01 PM
  #5
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Amy, the bit I posted is awesome for transitioning to the curb.. All parts move/wiggle/twist... So you can do a bit of direct reining when needed, yet the mouth piece is gentle so it doesn't jab etc.. Works equally well on my already trained to western horses as it does on my still needs some work on neckreining mare.. I don't think it's a huge "stopping" bit as in it's not harsh at all.. make sense??? Anyway, it's not an expensive bit to try. I have 3 of them, one on each horses headstall.. That's how much I like them..
     
    11-21-2011, 01:27 PM
  #6
Foal
Thanks Appy. He was broken and trained for western, but they always thought he was better suited to english, which he does great at, but western is my thing, and when he is working nicely and behaving and not off in his own world, we do really well, we actually came home with 2 reserves in western events at our recent state titles. The other 2 were in english events. And we always place high in our classes, western/ english whatever. So he can do it, and I know I can do it. The bit I feel is a basic bit for starting them out, the lady we purchased it from was a bit of a know it all, and was trying to discourage me from using a more advanced bit, as she said some horses can rear up from the pressure. I was like, oh, ok. This was when I was 9... now being 24, I see that it was a load of horse dung, as I never had such problems. My hands are soft, even my boss says so, and allows me to ride her Grand Prix dressage horse as she knows I won't weight on his mouth. Anyway, he does it all, I just want something that works more on its own rather than me. I don't know if what im saying makes sense or just portrays me as a lazy rider, which im not. I just mean, I don't want to be constantly picking up my reins to encourage him to keep low. And I want to be able to twist my wrist to bring a nostril lower etc, rather than having to lift both reins. Like if I was to flex for a horsemanship or equitation pattern. I am still trying to score some bits to try, as I don't want to spend money on a bit of the action or ration doesn't fit my horse. But I will certainly keep this one in mind, and look for one over here in Oz that is the same. Hopfully I can borrow one with a similar look and function, then get from from states. Anyway, thanks for the help :-D
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