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  • Are gag bits leagal in show ring
  • Will a two ring gag bit be better for brakes?

 
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    04-01-2013, 10:45 PM
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I need something a bit stronger than a plain snaffle, but i'd like to avoid a kimberwick if possible. Is there any good bits out there? I really don't like D rings, but i'll take anything.
     
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    04-01-2013, 10:53 PM
  #2
Trained
Kimberwickes are terrible bits, IMO.

What is the purpose of the bit? If it is to get the head down then more training is in order. Same for collection.

If the horse is just a bit hot on course and you need some extra brakes occasionally I would suggest a gag with two reins (one for the snaffle part and one for the gag part).

Good luck!
     
    04-01-2013, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Kimberwickes are terrible bits, IMO.

What is the purpose of the bit? If it is to get the head down then more training is in order. Same for collection.

If the horse is just a bit hot on course and you need some extra brakes occasionally I would suggest a gag with two reins (one for the snaffle part and one for the gag part).

Good luck!
I was thinking a 2 ring gag french link, or the same bit but a 3 ring for jumping? And most of my friends use kimberwicks, as did I, but I would like to keep out of those because I plan to do dressage!
     
    04-01-2013, 10:58 PM
  #4
Trained
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Originally Posted by eventing13    
I was thinking a 2 ring gag french link, or the same bit but a 3 ring for jumping? And most of my friends use kimberwicks, as did I, but I would like to keep out of those because I plan to do dressage!
I would say use the snaffle for flat and only bump up to a mild gag when jumping.
If your plan is to do dressage you should stick with a legal bit and ride through any issues as they will most likely become issues again in the show ring :)
     
    04-01-2013, 11:00 PM
  #5
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
I would say use the snaffle for flat and only bump up to a mild gag when jumping.
If your plan is to do dressage you should stick with a legal bit and ride through any issues as they will most likely become issues again in the show ring :)
that was my plan! I was thinking french link egg butt for dressage, and 2 ring gag french link for jumping.
     
    04-02-2013, 05:25 AM
  #6
Trained
My gelding can get VERY strong, so I get where you're coming from!

I put him in a kimblewick but like you, didn't much like it. The response was good, but there wasn't enough refinement. I didn't have the option of giving him a light curb-free aid before the curb chain came into action. He liked the mullen mouthpiece though so I tried him in a mullen pelham, and that worked awesomely - I still show him in it.

I wanted to put a grakle noseband on him because there's some really pretty ones [yes for looks not function lol, I don't tighten nosebands very much and he doesn't cross his jaw so it wouldn't actually -do- anything]. Can't have a grakle or a flash with a curb bit here, not at my level, so I decided to try him in a gag.

He hated it. Or rather, he didn't mind it, until the gag action came into play, and THEN he hated it. My horse doesn't like a gag bit. Every horse is different, of course, and what mine will resist and run through, yours might respond beautifully to. [bear in mind I now jump this horse in a snaffle at home and he is wonderful, and I can pull him up in it even if he's being a strong brat... he only runs through bad riding and/or a bit he hates... the pelham is his show bit still though because he turns and rates better and I have more stride control, plus he gets excited and is much stronger out]
     
    04-03-2013, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
My gelding can get VERY strong, so I get where you're coming from!

I put him in a kimblewick but like you, didn't much like it. The response was good, but there wasn't enough refinement. I didn't have the option of giving him a light curb-free aid before the curb chain came into action. He liked the mullen mouthpiece though so I tried him in a mullen pelham, and that worked awesomely - I still show him in it.

I wanted to put a grakle noseband on him because there's some really pretty ones [yes for looks not function lol, I don't tighten nosebands very much and he doesn't cross his jaw so it wouldn't actually -do- anything]. Can't have a grakle or a flash with a curb bit here, not at my level, so I decided to try him in a gag.

He hated it. Or rather, he didn't mind it, until the gag action came into play, and THEN he hated it. My horse doesn't like a gag bit. Every horse is different, of course, and what mine will resist and run through, yours might respond beautifully to. [bear in mind I now jump this horse in a snaffle at home and he is wonderful, and I can pull him up in it even if he's being a strong brat... he only runs through bad riding and/or a bit he hates... the pelham is his show bit still though because he turns and rates better and I have more stride control, plus he gets excited and is much stronger out]
I was thinking some oct of rubber pelham, but I didn't know if that would be too strong! I plan on doing hunters this year.. bit of a change but I need it! I think a pelham will work fine.
     
    04-04-2013, 03:35 AM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by eventing13    
I was thinking some oct of rubber pelham, but I didn't know if that would be too strong!
A pelham is a wonderful bit if it's used how it was intended. Double reins, as a 'false double bridle' if you will. In a double bridle you're supposed to ride mainly off the snaffle rein and the curb is there for refinement and to be able to give clear aids on two different things at once. The 'snaffle' rein on a pelham is a very mild option and while nowhere near as refined as a bit and bradoon I find it a magnificent bit for jumping because my horse has the option to respond to a nice light mild bit aid.

Roundings and split reins defeat the purpose and you may as well just be using the bottom slot of a kimblewick. No refinement at all and nowhere near as firm as the curb rein when you're using double reins. It does take a lot of coordination to be able to handle double reins though, especially over fences.
     

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