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    10-29-2010, 05:05 PM
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Bit Info? Segunda Full Cheek?

Ok so i'm still looking for a bit for my mare. I've thought of a couple but really don't feel like buying 50 bits before I get the right one.
So far i've had her in a D-ring snaffle (she shakes her head & leans into it incessantly! She also does not respond to it when asked to slow at a run or turn at a canter)
A shanked training bit which my Arab goes great in but I think the bars are too harsh for Miss Molly & she tosses her head at the slightest pressure & again doesnt like to turn in it at a run.
The bit she goes best in at the moment is a tom thumb. It's the only bit i've found that doesn't cause her to toss her head or lean into it. I'd keep her in it as she does very well, only again it does not help with her turning at a canter/gallop.
She yields wonderfully at a walk & trot but refuses at any other speed. This is really frustrating when we're trying to jump or run barrels.
So, i've considered possibly a Kimberwick as it has some leverage for if she wants to bolt, but at the same time has the D-ring cheek for adding pressure to her face.
A full cheek snaffle I've rules out only because she runs right through them, but I recently heard ot a Segunda Full Cheek (photo below). All it says is that the added port alleviates tongue pressure & concentrates more on the bars of the mouth.
Does anyone know more about it. I swear i've done a million searches on Google & it was no help.
Any other suggestions would be great.
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    10-29-2010, 05:42 PM
I don't particularly like the little points that the bottom of the port. I would imagine that would be very painful if she fought even a little bit in the turn because it would poke her underneath the tongue. There are much better options out there for a ported snaffle.
    10-30-2010, 12:39 AM
You might look at at a Mikmar training bit. They look wierd, and I have NO personal experience with them, but have heard they are effective. I would love to hear what, if anything , others can add to that.
    10-30-2010, 01:12 AM
How long have you had the horse? How long have you been doing fast work?
    10-30-2010, 02:18 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by wild_spot    
How long have you had the horse? How long have you been doing fast work?
I've had her for 6 months & have taken her to a few gymkhanas over the summer but we havent ever ran any of the events (barrels, poles, etc) just trot & walk. I work her in the arena when we go, before & after events at a lope, trying to get her to bend better but it's still a work in progress.
    10-30-2010, 02:20 PM
Green Broke
Her previous owners said also that she was in ponyclub for a year & jumping, & although she will jump anything you put infront of her, she gets super wound up & either takes off & wont turn or wont be directed towards the next jump.
    11-01-2010, 02:29 PM
Green Broke
Ok so how about one of these?
The first is just a ported full cheek with a copper roller. The 2nd is a Myler ported full cheek.
I had to do some digging to find the reason for the Segunda port & it may be too strong for Molly... I guess the points at the bottom of the port are meant to hold the tongue in place so that the bit can administer more pressure to the bars. Not that i'm afraid of being too heavy with my hands but if I have to direct rein her through barrels or something i'd hate to have the points digging into her tongue
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    11-01-2010, 03:47 PM
Either one of those would be a better option than the segunda. The biggest question now is whether or not she prefers tongue or bar pressure. The first one, being a solid straight mouth would work more on her tongue and not so much on her bars, the second would work mainly on the bars with very little, if any, pressure on the tongue. With either one though, you'll want to make sure and use bit keepers to keep the bit properly aligned in her mouth so that the ports don't dig into her palate.

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