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post #271 of 287 Old 07-17-2013, 02:55 PM Thread Starter
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Very informative, thank you!
I'm curious about some of the bits.. I've never seen any of the "icky mouthpieces" before. I don't even think we have these in my country. Do some people seriously ride with these?
And the “I will hunt you down and torture you if you use these” Mouthpieces.. I'm going to have to assume no one would be cruel enough to use them.. auch :(
I've seen them being used. Sad but true. I've seen a chainsaw bit used regularly at a barn.
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post #272 of 287 Old 07-17-2013, 08:42 PM
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I've seen them being used. Sad but true. I've seen a chainsaw bit used regularly at a barn.
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I have to agree with this, I have seen these and worse...a barbed wire bit. Poor horses.
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I've seen them being used. Sad but true. I've seen a chainsaw bit used regularly at a barn.
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That's horrible
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post #274 of 287 Old 09-06-2013, 10:53 PM
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My mare won't listen to any of my bits..

I have a regular D-Ring Snaffle bit and she won't listen to a thing about it... And after the jumps in the corners when I ask for lead changes she takes of.. Now I'm using a Jointed-D Rubber Snaffle bit.. Still she won't listen at all. My trainer is suggesting a slow snaffle twist or a korkstel (however you spell it).. I am doing a USEF show.. And I'm not sure if I should try a Pelham bit on her or not? She like still in training of becoming a really good jumper, cause' before that she was a barrel racer... So, what you guys think?
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I have a regular D-Ring Snaffle bit and she won't listen to a thing about it... And after the jumps in the corners when I ask for lead changes she takes of.. Now I'm using a Jointed-D Rubber Snaffle bit.. Still she won't listen at all. My trainer is suggesting a slow snaffle twist or a korkstel (however you spell it).. I am doing a USEF show.. And I'm not sure if I should try a Pelham bit on her or not? She like still in training of becoming a really good jumper, cause' before that she was a barrel racer... So, what you guys think?
A slow twist would be an ideal bit for you for a while, until your schooling is having an effect. What does your horse do if your trainer rides her?
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I have a regular D-Ring Snaffle bit and she won't listen to a thing about it... And after the jumps in the corners when I ask for lead changes she takes of.. Now I'm using a Jointed-D Rubber Snaffle bit.. Still she won't listen at all. My trainer is suggesting a slow snaffle twist or a korkstel (however you spell it).. I am doing a USEF show.. And I'm not sure if I should try a Pelham bit on her or not? She like still in training of becoming a really good jumper, cause' before that she was a barrel racer... So, what you guys think?
How did she run barrels? Calm & focused...or nose in the air & frantic? What type of bit is she used too? I've never seen anyone run barrels in a snaffle.

If it was my horse, I'd try the Pelham for a bit until she is a bit more experienced & taking turns calmer. She is likely used to the action of a curb from her previous barrel racing career, so the Pelham would help her transition. Using a more severe snaffle may make her more anxious and reactive.
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post #277 of 287 Old 09-15-2013, 10:31 AM
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“I will hunt you down and torture you if you use these” Mouthpieces

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This bit acts much like the Waterford in action, but the slim chain and roughness of the links makes it a harsh bit. Mostly seen in western events.

I have been riding my entire life, Western specifically, and have never every seen a bit like this in any horse's mouth.

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post #278 of 287 Old 09-16-2013, 12:41 PM
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I've seen the bashing on chain mouthpieces in both bit threads and I thought I would share my experiences.

I have a wonderful 9yr old AQHA mare, Friska who is the best lesson horse anyone could ever hope for, she has the most forgiving personality of any horse I have ever met. She rides in a chain mouthpiece jr cowhorse bit.

I got her as a late two year old (one month from turning three) and she was lightly started in a sidepull before I had an accident with another horse and broke my femur, at the time I was 15. 8 months later I was back in the saddle and she was still in a sidepull. As a 4 year old I finally decided I needed to teach her to ride with a bit. My sweet little mare who could be trusted to pack around my 5 and 3 year old cousins without ever putting a foot wrong turned into a monster when I bridled her. Yes her teeth were done.

She took the bridle fine but when I stepped back she would try and kill herself. I tried all of your go to bits to start horses in, I tried every cheek piece, loose ring, eggbutt, d ring, full cheeks and bauchers. I tried single joints, french links, mullen mouths, rubber mouthpieces, thick mouthpieces and thin.

What did she do you may ask? She would flip over backwards, rear up and paw at her head, turn and itch her head with a back hoof, itch on fences etc. She had more self mutilated head wounds than any horse i've ever seen. She absolutely panicked once I was out of the way. For a long time I thought she would never ride in a bit. It was a trick to get in there and rescue her when she got herself hung up.

Now I was young and stupid and just blindly trying bits without really thinking about it. It wasn't until I found her current bit, the chain mouthpiece jr cowhorse that I started to figure things out. When I did bridle her with that bit, there was none of that self destructive action. She mouthed it for a few moments and that was it, I had a happy horse. Now I ask you, if it was really that horrible of a mouthpiece would a horse go from being so self destructive to content?

Friska has a very very fat large tongue and a low palate. There isn't really much room for a bit in there. The chain mouthpiece is flat and curves around that massive tongue of hers so it doesn't get in the way.

A well made chain mouthpiece should have no rough edges. All of the links should be smooth. Yes, if a rider had abusive hands and see sawed at the bit it would rub but that isn't how any bit should be ridden in. If you have abusive hands and haul back, yes it will wrap around the horses mouth. What bit isn't harsh if you ride in it that way. These bits are meant to be used on a loose rein, they aren't meant for contact work, they're just too bendy, that doesn't make it harsh.

Friska is a lesson horse and she is regularly ridden by children and adults with uneducated hands that do all sorts of bad things. Never does she pin her ears, pull the reins out of a persons hands or even duck behind the vertical to evade the bit.

For those wondering if i've tried this bit, yes I have. I've had it in the crook of my elbow, the back of my knee, and between my fingers to test how it feels. Even with harsh hands, unless you really see saw or yank back it is quite comfortable.
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post #279 of 287 Old 09-16-2013, 01:37 PM
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^Interesting to read! I've never even seen such a bit...
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post #280 of 287 Old 09-17-2013, 11:12 AM
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any way to find out what is the correct way/direction to put these bits into a horses mouth?

I looked everywhere and it took me 3 days to find the right *direction a loose ring snaffle goes in
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