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        02-29-2008, 12:21 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    I've seen this happen before. It's not unusual.

    How careful are you when you remove the bridle? You may think you are being careful and gentle but you may be banging the horse's gums/roof of mouth/teeth as you remove the bit. Therefore he may have developed a habit of tensing up when it is removed, pulling back to get rid of it quickly or holding on to it. We've had horses with this habit before. Some horses you can do whatever with and they don't care, but some are just really sensitive to stuff like this and so develop these problems.
    It might be the bit is already causing soreness (the redness you noticed) and the problem has arisen in this way because removing the bit has aggravated a problem already there.

    I'm surprised no one's mentioned this explanation yet. I'm not saying it's the right one for this situation, but it's the most common reason for horses developing this problem. If it is the case it will just take a long time and lots of patience and very careful handling to get the horse used to it again.
         
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        02-29-2008, 12:53 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kyani
    I've seen this happen before. It's not unusual.

    How careful are you when you remove the bridle? You may think you are being careful and gentle but you may be banging the horse's gums/roof of mouth/teeth as you remove the bit. Therefore he may have developed a habit of tensing up when it is removed, pulling back to get rid of it quickly or holding on to it. We've had horses with this habit before. Some horses you can do whatever with and they don't care, but some are just really sensitive to stuff like this and so develop these problems.
    It might be the bit is already causing soreness (the redness you noticed) and the problem has arisen in this way because removing the bit has aggravated a problem already there.

    I'm surprised no one's mentioned this explanation yet. I'm not saying it's the right one for this situation, but it's the most common reason for horses developing this problem. If it is the case it will just take a long time and lots of patience and very careful handling to get the horse used to it again.
    That's a good idea too, but because of the redness and inflamation I'd suspect the bit has a lot to do with it.
         
        02-29-2008, 01:33 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    No doubt. But such behaviour is SO symptomatic of associating pain with the removal of the bit that I'd be shocked if tht didn't have something to do with it too. Like I said it could be a minor problem with the bit that has led to this behaviour because it makes the horse so sensitive to having it removed.
         
        02-29-2008, 01:42 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    It could be a combo of both. I have been VERY carefull about bit removal all winter because I noticed the problem, but the problem with pulling away could have arisen from one careless time that I removed it last summer. Even being so, so careful each time this winter, and working hard to try and not bang his teeth, his gripping of the bit has caused the banging noise pretty much every single time that I pull the bit out of his mouth.

    I am going to ride him in a hackamore for a while, get a different curb, and then ride him in my loose ring, egg-butt, french link (all I have) or the new curb. I am also going to have the vet look over his mouth. Hopefully the problem will correct itself by show season.

    Mikarel, you think that Billy Allen bit will be less likely for him to grip the bit right? The mullen mouth?
         
        02-29-2008, 11:13 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    Yeah the Billy Allen will greatly reduce the nutracker effect. Most horses will grip onto the bit because the can't stand the nutcracker effect and try to avoid it. The mullen mouth and curbs don't have a nutcracker effect so I would think that he wouldn't grip it at all. It may take a bit of time for him to notice this though.
         
        03-01-2008, 12:45 AM
      #16
    Yearling
    So...what, other than price, is the difference in these billy allen bits?


         
        03-01-2008, 08:20 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    The only difference between the first two is the metal they are made of. The third one is a reining bit. It also is missing the ring in the middle you can attach your reins to. It's shanks don't move as freely as the first two.

    Stay away from the third one because it's harsher and I think a poorly made bit, but either of the first two would work. It just depends on your personal preferences.
         
        03-05-2008, 05:07 PM
      #18
    Yearling


    So I rode in our bit like this (except the middle piece is not like that - it has 4 or five copper roller rings instead). I had given Dez a week with nothing in his mouth, and it was looking much better, so I though I would try that until I could get the billy allen ordered. I rode with the reins on the snaffle attachment.

    His first response to it was clearly surprise at the different points of contact, but he seemed softer, and less bracing than he ever had been with the loose ring or the bit that I posted a picture of at the beginning of this thread.

    He still pulled his head away when I went to remove the bit, but again he looked a little surprised. I am going to ride in this bit again today, tomorrow, and Saturday...I will update on his response.
         
        03-05-2008, 07:29 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Sounds like your making progress! Good luck and tell us how it goes!
         
        03-08-2008, 03:55 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    Okay, I have ridden in the double jointed for about three days now, and he is actually finding to be gaping with his mouth quite a bit under contact... apparently he is not a fan of the tongue pressure. Hopefully he will like the billy allen better. :)
         

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