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post #21 of 36 Old 09-22-2010, 12:56 AM
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Eek, please don't start a horse in anything with shanks, be it bit or hackamore shanks are designed for neck reining, not direct reining, and no horse is born knowing how to neck rein.

I use loose rings because I find they help the mouthpiece sit more 'neutral' in the mouth. A fixed cheek like an eggbut, especially a myler, can sometimes contorted into some weird positions in the mouth.

For lateral help or a horse that gets pinched, I like a d ring or full cheek.
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post #22 of 36 Old 09-22-2010, 01:13 AM
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Eek, please don't start a horse in anything with shanks, be it bit or hackamore shanks are designed for neck reining, not direct reining, and no horse is born knowing how to neck rein.

I use loose rings because I find they help the mouthpiece sit more 'neutral' in the mouth. A fixed cheek like an eggbut, especially a myler, can sometimes contorted into some weird positions in the mouth.

For lateral help or a horse that gets pinched, I like a d ring or full cheek.
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Do you mean start as in when they are a foal? I meant when I take a horse from bit to hackamore...what's your opinion there?
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post #23 of 36 Old 09-22-2010, 09:52 AM
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What I do is start a horse in a mechanical hackamore (may be the same as short shank, I have not heard that term), then once they are responding to that, I switch them to an English jumping hackamore. It's like "graduating" to something with less pressure on the face.
Why would you put something more harsh on the face of a horse that doesn't know anything?

IME, it's best to start with the lightest headgear possible. I like a plain leather halter with clip reins on the sides. Once you have your horse trained to that, you can ride him/her in anything...
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What I do is start a horse in a mechanical hackamore (may be the same as short shank, I have not heard that term), then once they are responding to that, I switch them to an English jumping hackamore. It's like "graduating" to something with less pressure on the face.
I believe this is the same as an English Hackamore.
This is the one I ordered.
Herm Sprenger Short Shank Hackamore
Dover Saddlery | Herm Sprenger Short Shank Hackamore .
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I just checked out your horse and she is gorgeous! What intrigueing coloration. She had great confirmation from what I can see and a cute as a button face. I am jealous!
Thanks so much. She is just fabulous! She is "sabino overo" with the base color being sorrel. She is very unique. I still am in disbelief sometimes when i look at her. The good news is that she loves me! It's obvious. I'm so fortunate to have such a great horse and she is very willing. She just can't get past that darned bit.

For the record, I tried the Myler Comfort Loose Ring snaffle yesterday. No go. She did better in a halter alone than in that bit. She might eventually get used to it, but heck, if it bothers her that much I don't even want a bit in her mouth. Today! Finally my hackamore and micklem bridle will be here. I'll be back online posting the results tonight or tomorrow.
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No wanting to be rude - But it is a rare horse who is used to and likes a bit, expecially a greenie, the very first time they wear it.

It took my greenie Latte weeks of wearing the bit passively in her mouth to get used to it.

It has taken her lots of rides to understand giving to pressure without gaping her mouth.

She now has a quiet mouth and rides off the lightest cues.

I chose to train her to a bit because if I ever need to sell her, I have made her chances 100X better for finding a good home because she rides well and lightly in a bit. It doesn't mean I always have to use one - I plan on going bitless for endurance actually, but I actually think it is remiss and neglectful to NOT teach a horse to be ridden well in a bit.

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Foals don't like being halter broken - They protest a halter just as much as a greenie protests a bit. Should you decide they don't like it and never use it again?

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Do you mean start as in when they are a foal? I meant when I take a horse from bit to hackamore...what's your opinion there?
To clarify - I was talking about starting as in breaking in a young horse.

However I strongly believe that NO horse should be put in something with shanks until they are already light in the mouth/face and know SOLIDLY how to neck rein.

The very design of shanks means they are confusing and uncomfortable when used to direct rein.

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Our horse hates the bit 2. he thew his head when you try to stop him. Whe switched over to a hackamore. IT HAS DONE WONDERS. the people that we got him from said that just about any horse can use a hackamore. Hope you have good luck.

To ride or not to ride? What a stupid question!
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post #30 of 36 Old 09-22-2010, 10:04 PM
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Why would you put something more harsh on the face of a horse that doesn't know anything?

IME, it's best to start with the lightest headgear possible. I like a plain leather halter with clip reins on the sides. Once you have your horse trained to that, you can ride him/her in anything...
The way I've seen, our newer horses (new to bitless I mean, not just green or newly started) don't yet know there IS anything on their face. Like my horse Ponch. (This might get long winded, I'm sorry...haha) He had been a reining/cow horse who had always had a bit in his mouth. When I first put a mechanical hackamore on him, he hardly responded. I'd very, VERY lightly bring up contact on one side, and as soon as he turned his head, release. We did that several times each of the beginning sessions. Our mechanical hackamores are harsher than the jumping hackamores, but we keep them loose enough (along with the reins) that it's not TOO harsh for them. Just enough that they can "hear" what we're saying (aka, feel the aids we're applying and understand what we're asking). Just a different method. :)

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