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    06-30-2010, 02:04 PM
  #1
Weanling
Question Bitless Clarification (cross under the jaw)

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or other sound principle of another person or thing’
It is a shame that people cannot live by these principles. Certain individuals throughout the horse industry make claims regarding the cross under the jaw rein operating technology (cutjrot) of bitless bridles. It is sad that most of those claims are false and or misleading. Integrity is lost in the world of self marketing.

1988, a patent is applied for in the United States with this design and through till 2002, the patent applicant argued with the Patent Office as well as improved upon the design. Throughout this time period articles were written world wide about the new design (cutjrot) and in 2000 the design under a false name won Best New Innovative Product at Equitana 2000. In 2002 Dr. Robert Cook receieved a fraudulent patent for the 1988 design to which under the laws of the United States he was not entitled to.

As to the operating claims of these various copycat bridles of the same design(cutjrot):
1. Bitless Bridle and other (cutjrot) bridles using the rein connectors are simply copying a design flaw of the original 1988 design.
2. Bitless bridles (cutjrot) that insert any solid matter between the jaws are actually interfering with the rein connection to the poll.
3. Bitless bridles with (cutjrot) cannot be operated as one would a conventional bitted bridle.
4. Any claim that a design change of a particular make of copycat bitless bridle makes (cutjrot) the design work better has not been scientifically validated.
5. To date, through complaints found on various Internet forums, the copycat (cutjrot) bridles have not been able to allow the riders to produce lateral and longitudinal flexion at the poll, full and complete engagement of the back and hindquarter, true "light, continuous" contact, full release of poll pressure, and in many cases the riders do not feel they have control of the horse.
6. To date, through acknowledgements found on various Internet forums, riders will declare the copycat (cutjrot) bridles produce a change on quiet horses that actually cause the riders to 'believe' the bridle is functioning correctly. It appears that these riders are not asking the horses for collection, etc.................
7. To date, no posted videos of these copycat (cutjrot) bridles being used for dressage demonstrate that the results achieved meet Article 401 of the FEI Rules of Dressage.
     
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    07-01-2010, 02:24 AM
  #2
Yearling
Wow, ouch.
Way to fully do your research instead of just copying and pasting what someone else wrote.

Regardless of who has the patent and who's making money from the product, it doesn't change the way the bridle works on horses.
There are many examples of bitless collection, video and pictures, circulating the web, and more than one exmple of such can be found on the bitless bridle's page on facebook, nevermind youtube and other sources.
And my horse is anything BUT quiet, thank you. I ride him in a bitless bridle, daily, on trails and in an arena, and it WORKS. My horse does NOT trail his hindquarters and he knows what collection is.
FEI is going corrupt, just like every other large governing organization.

If you need to put a piece of metal in your horse's mouth to obtain cllection, there is a fundamental flaw in your horses' training, as well as in your own.
I am not fully opposed to bits, however if your horse NEEDS a bit to be ridden there is something wrong there.
     
    07-01-2010, 11:38 AM
  #3
Weanling
Attached are just a few Bitless Bridle and Nutural Bridle images from the web. Not one of these horses is correct.....period. I have observed every Youtube video with bitless riding, no matter the maker of the bridle. What is interesting that from the anatomical requirements of the horse, the riders are using the bridle the same as if it had a bit. This is the incorrect usage of a cross under the jaw rein technology.

Collection is the impedence of forward motion! The result is the horse should acquire the 'on the bit' frame. This frame does not shorten strides of either or both the forehand and hindquarter. This frame does rise the back and throughly engages the hindquarter.

Collection does not require the overbent and/or behind the vertical and/or long and low head carriage. In fact if the head is overbent and/or behind the vertical and low head carriage, the function of the nuchial ligament and neck muscles are interfered with

Now as for your horse...is there a video of you riding your horse that we may observe? So many rider make the same statement you did regarding your horse being collected and hindquarters not trailing, when in fact that is not the case. I am glad for you that you have no problems with your horse and the bridle, you are fortunate.

This not aimed at you but rather a great majority of riders.
Riders should palpate the back and hips of their horses, if the horse cringes......the horse is not being ridden collected with free shoulders, back up and hindquarters engaged. Tetanic contractions in any location of the muscle structure of the horse is usually a clear sign that the rider is doing something wrong. Sometimes these contractions can be from a bad step etc., but 90% of the time tetanic contractions are induced by the rider, misuse of equipment, and/or schooling methods. A horse with tetanic contractions is a lame horse.

FEI and USEF "DO NOT" even stand by their mission statements or abuse rules or the requirements of Article 401

And FYI, the design of Bitless Bridle and others with the rein connectors is my original 1988 design, so I personally know this particular design is an operating flaw in creating longitudinal and lateral flexion of the poll and creating correct self carriage. That is why the design was changed in the patent process.
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    07-01-2010, 12:02 PM
  #4
Showing
Going to be completely candid here; the Nurtural promo video is awful. Downright awful. That chestnut mare, the first of the pics that sh8 attached, was lame in the video. The video cut out many times just before a horse went into a fit. So, all in all, awful markteing.
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    07-01-2010, 12:17 PM
  #5
Weanling
JustDressageIt, excellent post.
View the Dr. Cook so called scientific presentation of Bitless Bridle before the Certified Horsemanship Association. It is a joke, no more scientific then Elmer Fudd. Four horses and riders that present no valid changes and or improvements.
I currently am soliciting USEF for a bitless bridle rule change and in conjunction with that rule change, for them to hold a symposium on bitless dressage as well as tetanic contractions in competitive horses. These tetanic contractions cause the horses to be lame and therefore not showable.
Of course there is absolutly no response about the symposium from USEF.

E. A. Buck
Pure Classic Dressage
www.hartetoharte.org
     
    07-01-2010, 12:53 PM
  #6
Started
Spirithorse8, please comment on the LightRider bitless bridle design: www.naturalhorseworld/LightRiderbitlessbridle.html
     
    07-01-2010, 01:08 PM
  #7
Started
sorry!

That's www.naturalhorseworld.com/LightRiderBitlessBridle.htm
     
    07-01-2010, 01:12 PM
  #8
Weanling
Light Rider.
Went to her website and viewed the images. It appears to me that it operates like a side pull with the caveate that the chin strap is part of the mechanism.

Appears that if the rein is pulled the chin strap will apply pressure to the bones underneath and to the opposite side.
With a bit if you pull on the rein the opposite side follows toward the mouth...with the Light Rider it appears that you will have pulling from the opposite side through the noseband/chinstrap circle of connection. So it would actually double the pressures applied to the head of the horse when applying rein pressure.

This design still relies upon the muzzle area of the face for control, which is no different than bits, bosals, or other sidepulls. By relying upon the muzzle area for control, we place natural contraints into the neck muscles of the horses. No matter how light our hands these constraints are there. The pressures applied to the muzzle area actually cause the region of the poll to not flex correctly.
     
    07-01-2010, 01:27 PM
  #9
Started
Spirithorse8, thank you for swift, informative aswer. Now I'll have to study more on muzzle control vs your suggestions.
     
    07-01-2010, 02:09 PM
  #10
Showing
Some horses do go better in a bitless bridle - I can understand and appreciate that. But I'd be so bold to say that many of the bitless riders out there made the switch in an attempt to be "kinder" to their horses, or the horse has a different problem that they are trying to correct instead of getting to the root of that problem - for instance, if the horse has a dental problem, it can manifest itself in a few different ways, from the horse "not accepting" the bit to exhibiting some downright dangerous behaviors. If the dental problem was fixed correctly, and the horse fitted with the correct bit, the horse wouldn't have a problem carrying a bit.
I would be so bold to say as well that many horses ridden bitless would go just as good or better if fitted with the proper equipment (i.e. Correct saddle fit, correct bridle fit, correct bit and bit size for the shape of their mouths) and given regular veterinary and dentistry care.
As a rider who casually browses horses for sale (who doesn't?), I do find myself reacting to the ads showing or describing a horse as going bitless by saying to myself "I wonder what the horse's problem is that it can't wear a bit," and I move on to the next ad. If I were in the market for a horse, I would have the same reaction.
Is it correct for every horse? No. Some horses don't have a problem with a bit, and go just as good in a bitless, but that is MY first reaction.

Nurtural, in particular, turned me completely off their products. I dislike their video, it is one of the worst marketing videos I think I've ever seen. The chestnut mare, as I said earlier, was obviously lame, and the video made an excuse for her condition - this should not be done. If the horse is lame, leave that clip out and find another rider to show off their dressage. The other horse/rider pairs did not impress me with any brilliant moves at all. The horses were all strung out, and like I said, some of the clips were oh-so-obviously cut off just as the horse was hunching up to explode. Beyond that, a personal experience with a rep left a bitter taste in my mouth.
     

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