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    01-10-2014, 08:33 PM
  #11
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A bit cannot be well, harmful on purpose. (most anyways.)
In some ways it is like saying that bits hurt horses like guns kill people.
But the matter of truth is, people kill people.
In other words, it depends on what kind of hands you have. If you have hard hands, any bit you use, even the most softest its will be hard. If you have soft hands, then even the most harmful-causing bits will be soft. Usually.

But anything can be painful or wrong in the wrong hands.
Guns kill people.
Spoons make people fat.
Pencils misspell words.
And bits hurt horses.
     
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    01-10-2014, 09:34 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Trinity Ridge    
i don't care for snaffle bits.... I ride gaited horses. A gaited horse has to ride into the bit. This video shows why I don't think a snaffle is good for this type of bit.
A curb bit is much easier on a gait horses mouth. There is nothing cruel about a curb.
A curb bit has more pre-signal, as the chain tightens under the jaw, and is capable of applying a lot more pressure. Most of the gaited horses I have seen learn to come off of that pressure and stay just behind the place where it engages to the point of pain. The rider is more able to set a place for the horse to "ride into" because the bit is more powerful. However, a horse can be trained to respond similarly to a snaffle, it just takes a very good sense of timing and release on the part of the rider.
Also, gaited horses are hardly ever asked to do any lateral movements, where a snaffle is the best bit around for that.
     
    01-10-2014, 09:37 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Trinity Ridge    
i don't care for snaffle bits.... I ride gaited horses. A gaited horse has to ride into the bit. This video shows why I don't think a snaffle is good for this type of bit.
A curb bit is much easier on a gait horses mouth. There is nothing cruel about a curb.

While I'm not against bits and not against curb bits, I do see the merit in bitless options. Why would a gaited horse not be able to be ridden bitless?
We have a gaited horse at our rescue who's teeth are a wreck and her mouth is very painful, she rides and gaits much better bitless. So I'm not sure why a gaited horse can't be ridden without a bit?
     
    01-10-2014, 09:52 PM
  #14
Foal
There will always be example and experiances to prove both sides. One horse that has a shipwrecked mouth is an exception, not a rule. As a rule, gaited horses ride into the bit. Most use the bit as a balancing tool. Do they need it at all times, no b/c many can gait through the field, w/o human interferance, but you add a rider to the equation and a multitude of other variables and the bit is a strong aid to helping a horse gait and making the gait better, and smoother.

The video shows how a snaffle works, a gaited horse will have continual pressure on its mouth while its in a rack or other gaits, a snaffle and its design is not something you want continual pressure on the horses bars and palate. Not to mention the possiblity of the tounge and lip tissue. That's why im more in favor of a curb where pressure is used for gaited horses.

no doubt most if not all gaited breeds can go in a snaffle, I've used them before, a good rider can make a horse do anything. But that doesnt make it the best tool for the job. The snaffle may be a good tool for some and thier disicipline. But I don't care for them.............i rode TWHs and now I ride big motor speed racking horses.
     
    01-10-2014, 10:04 PM
  #15
Green Broke
I'm going to say riding gated horses in a curb bit really isn't a &quot;rule&quot;. I took a gaited horse from only knowing right, left, and foreward (not always in a gait) to having 3 comfortable gaits, a good stop and and easy neck reining. She wasn't broken until 10 years old (she was pulled from Camelot). I can definitely ride her in rope halter. The likely hood of her breaking increases but is easily felt and usually I can pick her back up and correct it.<br />
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    01-11-2014, 12:49 AM
  #16
Trained
Yes and collars on dogs is cruel, and rugging horses is cruel, and keeping cats inside is cruel.
Saddles are cruel they can cause horrific back injuries for a horse... all nosebands are cruel, the horse's nose has a lot of nerves, in fact all bridles in general are cruel including bitless, they hit pressure points and 'force' a horse to do what it doesn't want to.......

Anything is cruel in the wrong hands. I have no interest in watching sensationalist, PETA style videos!
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    01-11-2014, 06:10 AM
  #17
Weanling
Here is a harsh and cruel bit regardless who's hands it was in. It was phased out by the next century.



4th Century Greecian bit.
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    01-11-2014, 10:15 AM
  #18
Yearling
Absolutely bits are cruel!! Just like guns kill people!!! Of course it is the person using the tool to make it so.
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    01-12-2014, 03:31 AM
  #19
Weanling
I knew a gun once....I knew it well. Shot it several times, But it never killed a darn thing.
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    01-12-2014, 04:47 AM
  #20
Foal
Pretty sure this has been scientifically proven. I've gone bit-less. Everyone thinks you don't get enough control but my boy and I have proven that he listens better without a bit.

Most horses (I'm pretty sure) have trained with 'pressure and release'. I think it is a much better solution than bits. That's my opinion and it makes sense that bits would cause pain.

Go buy a new bit and stick it in your mouth and have people pull on the reins....
     

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