Thank you! Most ofbthe bosal hangers here in SA resemble normal headstalls. I now see on the website of the guy I buy my bosals and other western tack from he does have ones like the ones in your pics. Now I can see how you can wear that under a normal bridle. I just always wondered how they did it. Smorbs, yes I try and train the riders too, but they rarwly stay long enough for me to make any real diffs in thair riding skills. Thay are young, gat into troublewith each other, or with my dad (the boss) and leave. A the moment i have a few better riders, the still ride with too short reins, but I'm working on that. Right now the horses ae off work for another four and a half weeks for their yearl AHS shots, so no work.
I like that rope hackamore you showed me Smorbs, i will have to see if they will ship it to SA, or see if somebody can make me one.
Mike, yes I can see the problem with the first bosal, the mecate must touch the chin unless I'm mistaken. I did buy myself RE Smiths' hackamore training dvd's. He explains very clearly how to adjust the hackamore, but he also uses normal headstalls/ bridles not those hangers in your pics.
Thanks both of you, I'm learning a lot!