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        05-17-2010, 11:09 PM
      #21
    Trained
    ACEd under saddle in a lesson... wow.
         
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        05-18-2010, 12:02 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    All I can say is OMG! You need to run far far away from this trainer and forget everything you saw and learned. No wait, actually remember it all but file it away as what NOT to do...

    I don't care if the only other place to ride is 2 hours away and you can only get there once a month; that would be better than learning from this total moron.
         
        05-18-2010, 03:09 PM
      #23
    Weanling
    I will tell you from personal experience this is not the way to do it. A trainer I trusted suggested I put a martingal and an elevator bit on my gelding to have more control over him while jumping. He snaped the martingal, I took a head butt to the face and then we proceeded to summersault over a 3'9 fence. The horse landed right on top of me. We both luckily walked away with no more than a few bruises BUT it could've been a lot worse.
         
        05-19-2010, 04:16 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    I think I get it now.

    Her standing martingales are really, REALLY loose. As a safety precaution to make sure the horse doesn't throw his head into your face. They can still jump with it and not be pulled back. The reason she was recommending I go back to it was that she WAS throwing her head in my face and feeling less confined without it so running around the ring. I, personally, don't believe in martingales for this purpose, but to each his own.

    The gag bits are NOT on every horse. The gag bits are on the green horses with advanced riders that know how to handle them and not to go pulling hard on the bottom rein all the time. Maybe even at all.

    The ACE thing...I can't defend that. After minor research, she's being really, REALLY stupid. No matter how low the dose, the Ace impairs learning and is also generally a bad practice if one is riding. I will NEVER willingly do this. Ever.

    I think I understand some of the things she's doing now that most riders disapprove of and I'm going to keep riding with her. I love her instruction and I improve riding drastically each year. I know now what she's been doing wrong and I'll keep it in mind so that when I have horses of my own I don't do it.

    Thanks for all your help, guys. :)
         
        05-19-2010, 10:45 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Gag bits on green horses even in experienced hands are not the best of ideas. A horse should be going kindly in a snaffle before a gag is even looked at, and then they shouldn't need the gag anyway. Once you get into the higher levels of jumping and x-country then gag's can be helpful on some horses, but over the lower stuff when the horse is still learning, snaffles are the way to go.

    If your instructor ACE's a horse again, refuse to ride it. That is just so dangerous it's not amusing in the slightest.
         
        05-19-2010, 10:52 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kayty    
    Gag bits on green horses even in experienced hands are not the best of ideas. A horse should be going kindly in a snaffle before a gag is even looked at, and then they shouldn't need the gag anyway. Once you get into the higher levels of jumping and x-country then gag's can be helpful on some horses, but over the lower stuff when the horse is still learning, snaffles are the way to go.

    If your instructor ACE's a horse again, refuse to ride it. That is just so dangerous it's not amusing in the slightest.
    I wish I had control over these things. Alas, I do not. Of course I will not pass on these practices. Of course I will not FOLLOW these practices. But for now I just have to go with it, or not ride. And I'm not going to stop riding.
         
        05-19-2010, 11:06 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    If you continue to ride with her, you're condoning these practices and they will eventually rub off on you. She may be a good rider, but she's a cr@p a$$ horse trainer and she should be stopped. Even if she does these things because the barn owner(s) tell her too, she's still making unsafe and unethical choices.

    I'd rather not ride than ride under a person like this... I have fired more than a few trainers or quit riding schools because of one reason or another. It never takes that long to find another, and eventually, if you're lucky, you'll finally find a good one that you can stick with.
         
        05-19-2010, 11:23 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979    
    If you continue to ride with her, you're condoning these practices and they will eventually rub off on you. She may be a good rider, but she's a cr@p a$$ horse trainer and she should be stopped. Even if she does these things because the barn owner(s) tell her too, she's still making unsafe and unethical choices.

    I'd rather not ride than ride under a person like this... I have fired more than a few trainers or quit riding schools because of one reason or another. It never takes that long to find another, and eventually, if you're lucky, you'll finally find a good one that you can stick with.
    They're not rubbing off on me. I came here in the first place when I realized that some of her practices didn't make sense and that I should learn what you're supposed to do.

    Its ride with her or ride with people that let their horses go lame and keep them in large groups in tiny pastures with generally terrible conditions and terrible trainers and terrible horses. I'd rather ride with the one I have now then not ride at all.
         
        05-19-2010, 11:43 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    You're on the east coast. There are barns and trainers all over the place. You might have to drive farther, but you should be able to find a decent trainer. Or, maybe you can find just another horse owner who wants someone to ride with them or help exercise their horses. Just take your time and ask around. Talk to a good horse vet and farrier. They will know who takes good care of their horses and has a good reputation.

    Don't be so ready to give up your search for a good barn or trainer. Ride with this person for now if you must, but keep looking for something, anything, better.
         
        05-20-2010, 01:54 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979    
    You're on the east coast. There are barns and trainers all over the place. You might have to drive farther, but you should be able to find a decent trainer. Or, maybe you can find just another horse owner who wants someone to ride with them or help exercise their horses. Just take your time and ask around. Talk to a good horse vet and farrier. They will know who takes good care of their horses and has a good reputation.

    Don't be so ready to give up your search for a good barn or trainer. Ride with this person for now if you must, but keep looking for something, anything, better.
    I have in the past. There isn't anything closer than an hour and a half. My parents have literally told me I cannot ride anywhere farther from where I currently do. I live in a suburban part of New Jersey as opposed to horse country, so the closest barn is 15 minutes away (but is terrible and refuse to speak of it in a positive light. It's WORSE than any of the things you say are bad here.) and the next closest barn is an hour away without traffic. One time it took me 2 and a half hours to get there. My parents also said they refuse to let me ride there again, especially since they treat everyone like babies. "Okay! Everyone remember how to trot? Kick with both legs and say TROT! That's good! Now remember to steer!" There is one other barn but its a show barn and really really expensive, and I believe you have to own a horse to ride there.
    I have looked into it, I assure you. This is the only option for me. In fact, all people in my town who ride horses ride here, at the show stable (that's like 4 people) the terrible place or where I ride.
    I'm just as worried as you are, I promise.
         

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