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post #31 of 66 Old 11-22-2011, 02:36 PM
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...Do people not wrap around multiple times when they tie?...
With my horses, and using a 28/30" cinch, I need 3 wraps to make it possible to use the holes, and then just barely. 4 wraps for certain. With nylon, that is tolerable. With leather, I fend it best to punch extra holes, and cut the leather to a reasonable length.

My mare is 15.3, but only weighs 900 lbs. I think she was a model in a previous life. That would explain her attitude toward her mane, too...toss, flip, toss again!

I tried tying today, and may go back to it - even if that makes me a redneck, hick rider. 2 loops, tie, and the rest can hang in the holder.
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I buckle the off side, and tie the near side. Leather against leather creates grip. I always tighten every saddle, then bridle, then lead, then tighten again, often playing with the girth or cinch immediate before I mount so that my horse will hold his breath and make it tighter, therefore easier for me to mount. Usually I can put my fist in between the girth/cinch and the horse after a workout, and I like that, except I want less play if it's English. The holes in my latigo straps are cut too far apart for me to trust a good fit.
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I was taught to use the 740 knot. I have issues with the buckle for some reason, and I just think the knot is more secure.

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I was taught to use the 740 knot. I have issues with the buckle for some reason, and I just think the knot is more secure.
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I suppose if you tie it rather than buckling, you're prone to getting stabbed by the tongue!
I can see getting stabbed if it is not buckled. I can not see the buckle being in the way if you buckle and I thought that is what I was reading.

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That's why you wrap around multiple times to get the holes to line up. It also makes it far more secure. Do people not wrap around multiple times when they tie? I think that would worry me about all the strain put on a single layer of latigo....
I wrap multiple times buckling or knotting.
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i've usually tied, but i got another saddle a few years back & i don't like the rigging-i tried to have it changed to just the one plain circle, but that was too expensive, so i bypassed my problem by using a tack-a-berry, which is a kind of buckle, & that is working for me.
i grew up tying, but also had tack-a-berries. I've seriously been thinking of getting another one, just haven't seen one when around the tack to remind me.

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with my horses, and using a 28/30" cinch, i need 3 wraps to make it possible to use the holes, and then just barely. 4 wraps for certain. With nylon, that is tolerable. With leather, i fend it best to punch extra holes, and cut the leather to a reasonable length.

My mare is 15.3, but only weighs 900 lbs. I think she was a model in a previous life. That would explain her attitude toward her mane, too...toss, flip, toss again! :d

i tried tying today, and may go back to it - even if that makes me a redneck, hick rider. 2 loops, tie, and the rest can hang in the holder.
our horses are about the same size, i use the same size cinch also.

My saddle came with a nylon , hated it! Went and bought a leather one. Nylon stretches and gives more than leather. I've never had one come untied, nor have i ever had the tongue poke my leg, i just tuck it up close to the latigo, and put my stirrup down.
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I don't ride western anymore so this is purely for the sake of interest and research, just saying.

I keep seeing people saying that just buckling a western cinch is SOOOO much better than tying and since I was always taught that you must tie the cinch or it could be dangerous, I'm just a little confused.

I've never had the latigo knot be large enough that my leg was bothered and I'm never had a latigo loosen when it was just tied but I have had a buckled latigo come unbuckled... Back when I was riding western, I regularly tightened the cinch from the saddle by just tugging on one corner of the latigo knot. I suppose if you tie the knot on the cinch side of the latigo area, all bets are off but I was always taught to tie it on the saddle side...

I was always taught that tying the cinch was the only way to be sure that the saddle was on securely and that if you just buckle it, the buckles could easily come undone (and the time that the buckle did come undone cemented that in my brain).

So I guess I'm just interested in your reasoning either way, tying vs buckling.
Well I have the tendency to agree with you. I find a lot of people do it different and it is also dependent on what kind of riding you do.

For me, we do alot of roping and we use a different kind of saddle than most people on here.

We use leather latigos on both sides, no holes. When we buy a cinch it is a mohair or mohair blend stranded (but not the wide roper style) with the regular old fashioned circle dees. We buy them short, I buy 26" or a 28" cinch and we ride big horses. And I will explain why... we find that with our saddles(a couple of mine have drop plate rigging) and with how much roping we do a shorter cinch seems to hold our saddles better. The cinch dees will come a few inches above the elbow when cinched. Some people may argue that this may gall a horse, but we have never had a problem especially using mohair. So given that the dees are set that low you risk getting a spur stuck in them, this is why we cut the tongue for the buckle off. I have seen people ride with cinch buckles this low and hang a spur. We always tie our latigos on BOTH sides- not just the "on" side. We use a different knot, not what I call the "farmer knot" which can be a little bulky under your leg. This also allows for plenty of adjustment for riding multiple horse of different sizes. We like the mohair and leather latigo setups, because it allows for stretch, which is handy for roping and your horse being able to breathe.

When riding for trainers they seem to use the buckles, which is fine, it suits their purpose. As long as the cinch is long enough that you don't hang a spur. I find that leather latigos that are used with buckle style cinches wear faster. And I despise those "smart cinches" with the roller buckle! Somehow I ended up with one, the roller pulled my colts winter coat out. The roller would ice up-I promptly threw it out!

Anyhow I have rode with them both ways but I prefer to tie..
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740 knot?
I was wondering too. I tried Google, but it didn't help.

Maybe it is a knot that stays tight even when the horse runs at 740 kts? I'm pretty sure my mare has hit that when bolting...
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Wow! I'm loving all these responses!
I feel so much more informed now.

For those who buckle, do you just buckle and go or do you check to make sure it's still buckled at intervals during your ride? I'm guessing you probably don't feel the need to check it often because you feel secure with that method of cinching, like I did when I was tying? :)

I think my problem when I buckled (and had it come undone) was that I didn't pull the latigo looser again to tighten the buckle against the metal ring thing, so it came undone because it wasn't tight. Tacking error! haha

When I was tying, I'd do 3 loops around, tie, then any extra latigo got either passed through the latigo keeper thingy in front or the ring for the back cinch. I got to where I knew exactly how much latigo should be left over (and through the latigo keeper/back cinch ring) so I never had an issue knowing if the cinch was going to end up too loose or not.
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I was wondering too. I tried Google, but it didn't help.

Maybe it is a knot that stays tight even when the horse runs at 740 kts? I'm pretty sure my mare has hit that when bolting...
I tried Googling the elusive "740 knot" as well....I am at a loss

But I tried to find images on the internet for what I was trying to explain and couldn't find it either. And the method we use is pretty common in our neck of the woods.

However I did find an image of what I call a "farmer knot" or "California knot"..

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