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    01-05-2010, 06:42 PM
Green Broke

So with my Christmas money I think I am going to get myself a wintec 500 dressage saddle. I have found two in my area in my price range in pretty much the same condition, but one has CAIR and is a little more, and one does not. I have been trying to read responses on here, but got tired of swimming through all the posts.

So what I want to know, is if I should go with the CAIR, or go with the cheaper saddle that does not have CAIR. I am getting this saddle for a sway backed horse, and I was told that the CAIR may help, but some of the reading I have done said that the CAIR panels made their horse's backs hurt more.

Here's the horse:

I have ordered him a skito (skido?) sway back pad so now I just need to figure out the saddle.
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    01-05-2010, 06:47 PM
Green Broke
Lol, sorry stupid question but, what is CAIR?
    01-05-2010, 07:27 PM
I ride with a Wintec saddle that has CAIR almost everyday! I think Comanche actually preffers to use the CAIR saddle. He puffs up when I use the close-contact saddle. And if a saddle makes a horse sore, I would say that the saddle does not fit the horse right. CAIR is supposed to be all around better for you and your horse. And riding on it is like no other, too. You do feel like you are on air because it is so 'fluid.' I am definitely pro Wintec with CAIR :)
    01-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by ridergirl23    
lol, sorry stupid question but, what is CAIR?

Here's a good run down on it: CAIR Panel System : FAQs

CAIR Panel System : What is CAIR?
    01-05-2010, 08:27 PM
I luuuuurve my CAIR saddles, I have the same wintec 500 dressage and also the 2000 all purpose.
I would definitely go with the CAIR even though it costs a little more, you and your horse will be more comfortable in the short and long term.
Does it have the easy-change gullet system? I seriously couldn't live without it, I'm a pro at changing gullets i've done it so much :P
    01-05-2010, 08:33 PM
Green Broke
Cair does not help much with saddle fit. The air does move arounda little, but not "that" much. Personally, I prefer wool flocked as you can have a saddle fitter adjust it to better suit your horse, more so than the CAIR will change.

You need a Skito Correction pad to help the swayback. They really work well and the shims can be custom cut for your horse for no extra charge.
    01-05-2010, 08:47 PM
I much prefer wool flocked saddles. CAIR is awfull. With flocking, you can alter the fit of the saddle and it will stay firm to the horses back. CAIR tends to bounce on the horse's back, and also compresses and expands to the rider's movement, putting uneven pressure over the back.

I have not known one person who stuck with a CAIR saddle, they all changed it over to flock within a couple of months. And these are all experienced, well known and reputable dressage riders, if anyone can feel a horse's movement change a dressage rider can, and every horse a CAIR saddle was used on here ended up with back problems that took quite some time to resolve. As soon as the saddles where converted to flocking, the horses were fine.
    01-05-2010, 09:02 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979    
Cair does not help much with saddle fit. The air does move arounda little, but not "that" much. Personally, I prefer wool flocked as you can have a saddle fitter adjust it to better suit your horse, more so than the CAIR will change.

You need a Skito Correction pad to help the swayback. They really work well and the shims can be custom cut for your horse for no extra charge.

I have ordered a skito pad (I mentioned that in my original post. :p) on a suggestion you made to me in another thread and am excited to get it. Right now I am just using lots of extra padding under the saddle and doing light riding with a saddle on and most of my riding bareback, thankfully he has shown no signs of any discomfort, but I will be very happy when I get that pad.

Are wintec's wool or foam flocked?

CaptainLiecy - I love the changeable gullet too! I ride so many different horses of different widths that I am excited to have a saddle with it in it. Thankfully they are mostly stock horses and have the same type of back conformation.
    01-05-2010, 09:15 PM
Wintec's are foam flocked as they are quite cheaply made saddles. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind them, but only on certain horses. I'd still go for a foam over CAIR anyday.
    01-05-2010, 09:18 PM
I wouldn't get the Wintec 500 - they have strait tree's. Same tree as what you had with your Wintec 500 A/P.

If you had problems with the A/P on your TB, you'll definitely have problems with the same tree shape on this fellow.

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