Choosing a stronger bit.... - Page 2 - The Horse Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 30 Old 11-04-2008, 11:11 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 40
• Horses: 0
Sorry I guess I didn't answer much about being heavy on the bit over jumps, haven't jumped in a long time!
Zappasowner is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 30 Old 11-04-2008, 11:22 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 11,772
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zappasowner View Post
Sorry I guess I didn't answer much about being heavy on the bit over jumps, haven't jumped in a long time!


The problem with any bit with a curb chain is that if the horse tosses its head, the chain will clunk them in the jaw - resulting in some not-so-pleasant sliding stops... yes I've been there.
Training will do what a bit can't - that is, make a better horse for it. A horse that travels heavy on the forehand will continue to do so regardless of the bit. A horse that's rushy ... well, the bit may help for a little while, but it is just a "band aid" for an underlying problem.

Like I said, I always recommend looking at the training rather than switching to a harsher bit.


The lovely images above provided by CVLC Photography cvlphotography.com
JustDressageIt is offline  
post #13 of 30 Old 11-05-2008, 07:05 AM
Showing
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Greenville area / SC
Posts: 13,165
• Horses: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt View Post

The problem with any bit with a curb chain is that if the horse tosses its head, the chain will clunk them in the jaw - resulting in some not-so-pleasant sliding stops...
JDI, I aways enjoy your posts and advise but I need to disagree with just that one statement. If the chain is adjusted normally there is no way that it can clunk them in the jaw. The chain will swing but there is simply not enough weight or space to cause a reaction. I suspect that if you had a problem with your horse coming to a sliding stop, then there was something else going on.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.


It's not always what you say but what they hear.
iridehorses is offline  
post #14 of 30 Old 11-05-2008, 12:15 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 11,772
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by iridehorses View Post
JDI, I aways enjoy your posts and advise but I need to disagree with just that one statement. If the chain is adjusted normally there is no way that it can clunk them in the jaw. The chain will swing but there is simply not enough weight or space to cause a reaction. I suspect that if you had a problem with your horse coming to a sliding stop, then there was something else going on.


If the chain is adjusted properly (so the bit swings to a 45 degree angle when engaged) then there is enough play in the chain to (perhaps not "clunk," per se) hit the horse on the lower jaw. It doesn't happen all the time, but if a horse does toss its head, the chain can get a reaction. I've been there, done that - and yes, the chain was adjusted properly. Many riders ride with the chain too tight, so there would be no play in it.
Remember, horses have different reactions to different pressures.
The horse that I experienced this with was a very sensitive TB mare that I bought when I was 11 and she was 5 and fresh... anyways, long story short I didn't use a kimberwick for long. My mare would toss her head before a fence, get hit with the chain, toss her head higher, not see the jump (I was doing hunters) and come to a sliding stop.


The lovely images above provided by CVLC Photography cvlphotography.com
JustDressageIt is offline  
post #15 of 30 Old 11-05-2008, 12:59 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mississippi
Posts: 1,399
• Horses: 0
jdi i am using a full cheek snaffel i do not want a harsh bit like the ones mentioned. i do want something more friendly to her mouth. i have soft hands but she is not %100 paying attention to me??? does that make sense? i was wondering whats the horses reaction difference from what i am using in comparison to a french link snaffel?

On The 6th day god Created The Quarter Horse...One The 7th he Painted All The Good Ones---*trisha<3
Painted Ride is offline  
post #16 of 30 Old 11-05-2008, 01:06 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 247
• Horses: 1
I wont use anything but a snaffle on any of our horses. Its usually just their temperment or a training issue that is causeing them to be head strong. If shes getting strong over jumps try using a grid. It forces the horse to think more than "go go go!". Also before moving to a harsher bit try using a "pull cord". Its mostly used for head strong racehorses.

We use tongue ties but if you can find something else (I dont suggest bailer twine I find it can cause burning.) To put a pull cord on put the middle of it over the horses nose and down under to its chin. Make sure you bring the loose ends behind the bit and tie it. Tightness depends on how much pull you want added.

What this does is applies added pressure to the nose instead of the mouth. Horses dont tend to become dependant on it so if one day shes strong and the next day shes not just use it on the stronger days.

BTW: Couldnt find an exact picture so I found one of a horse head and drew where the pull cord should be :)

A Dog looks up to a man,
A cat looks down on a man,
But a patient horse looks a man in the eye and sees him as an equal
xkatex is offline  
post #17 of 30 Old 11-05-2008, 02:01 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: In a hicktown
Posts: 3,489
• Horses: 7
Kimberwicks work great

I was a dreamer
Before you went and let me down.
VanillaBean is offline  
post #18 of 30 Old 11-05-2008, 09:18 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 11,772
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbenitez View Post
jdi i am using a full cheek snaffel i do not want a harsh bit like the ones mentioned. i do want something more friendly to her mouth. i have soft hands but she is not %100 paying attention to me??? does that make sense? i was wondering whats the horses reaction difference from what i am using in comparison to a french link snaffel?


I stand by my first comment that you should look at the training - is there a reason she's getting strong? Try lots of circles, bending, yielding to the bit and leg, and lots of transitions. Perhaps you could give me a little more detail on exactly what problem you're having, and I'll take a stab at some exercises for you.
Again, and especially with a "forward" horse, I'd rather see the horse trained a little more rather than going to a harsher bit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VanillaBean View Post
Kimberwicks work great


VB, perhaps you could expand on that thought? It's fairly vague.


The lovely images above provided by CVLC Photography cvlphotography.com
JustDressageIt is offline  
post #19 of 30 Old 11-06-2008, 05:19 PM
Zab
Yearling
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Sweden - the land of carrots and apples
Posts: 1,387
• Horses: 2
The first one. Put the chain tight enough (You sould be able to move the shank some 30-45 degrees not more) and cut off te rest of the chain so it won't hit the horse.
Use it for now, find out why she's not working on the other bit over fences, solve the problem and change back to your normal bit.


Always keep your head up, but be careful to keep your nose at a friendly level.


Zab is offline  
post #20 of 30 Old 11-06-2008, 07:42 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 11,772
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zab View Post
The first one. Put the chain tight enough (You sould be able to move the shank some 30-45 degrees not more) and cut off te rest of the chain so it won't hit the horse.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zab View Post
Use it for now, find out why she's not working on the other bit over fences, solve the problem and change back to your normal bit.


Why not solve the training problem in the bit she has now instead of changing bits?


The lovely images above provided by CVLC Photography cvlphotography.com
JustDressageIt is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Stronger bit? We Control The Chaos Horse Training 13 05-30-2008 10:20 PM
Help with a stronger bit! whinruss Horse Tack and Equipment 12 11-09-2007 06:41 AM
need help choosing.......... Mathew Horse Grooming 6 08-10-2007 05:49 PM
choosing the right bit Sweet Lady Horse Training 5 07-27-2007 02:30 PM
Stronger Hooves? mynameisntlola Horse Health 4 02-04-2007 12:44 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome